That's another way to do it

[dreamville-bg.livejournal.com]

While some are disseminating booklets telling refugees "Bad boy. Don't do that!", folks in Russia have decided enough is enough, and have taken the law in their own hands:

Refugees Find Out Russia Isn’t Norway

"The refugees groped and fondled the Russian women much like they do all through Europe. The refugees tried to flee the scene after a group of men approached them for the purpose of teaching them about respecting Russian women. They took them outside and began giving them a royal beating in which at least all of refugees were hit. The beating continued until the police arrived to break up the fight. Unconfirmed reports say the police took a few swipes at the refugees before arresting 33 of them."

Some would be outraged, I'm sure. Others would get a refreshing vibe that justice does exist, after all. It's amazing how women's rights are suddenly overlooked for the sake of accommodating the sensibilities of a horde of criminals who excuse their crimes with their "cultural mores".

A refugee, after raping a girl in Germany, explained he had "urgent sexual needs". How do you reason with that? Hell, how do you reason with this?

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And this?

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By the way, Russians can now carry guns for "self-defense". So yeah, things aren't going to start looking any better for those raping so-called "refugees". According to Russian President Vladimir Putin, unmanaged immigration leads to nationalism and intolerance and can cause a permanent conflict in society. However, the degree to which immigration in Russia is actually well-managed remains questionable. Refugees fleeing the Syrian conflict have not received much in the way of help or status, and the vast majority of them have become illegal immigrants. Then this becomes a vicious circle. In a nutshell, Russia definitely isn't a nice place for refugees.

Comments

This is not

[danieldemarko.livejournal.com]

legal. They must share theirs wives. A friend in need is a friend indeed.

RE: This is not

[dreamville-bg.livejournal.com]

It is legal, but if you ask a refugee, it probably shouldn't be.

[luvdovz.livejournal.com]

C'mon, integrate this.

[ddstory.livejournal.com]

Well, Russia is not exactly Europe, is it. If they try to pull the same thing they're doing in places like Köln, they're probably going to end up being shot.

[underlankers.livejournal.com]

It's also deliberately destroying Syrian cities and hospitals and vital infrastructure that would actually support civilian life in Syria. So to be crude here, this is a case of praising the fox for eating up the hens in the henhouse.

[ddstory.livejournal.com]

All right Rubio, you're repeating the same thing to everyone now?

[underlankers.livejournal.com]

Nope, simply finding it amusing people are cheering the Russians for acting like this when they're the actual cause of a significant portion of the problem. You don't get cheered for reacting like a bunch of thugs when the situation that led to that is your own damn fault. A person who puts out a fire they started as arson isn't a hero..

[dexeron.livejournal.com]

And, of course, this is exactly what the salafists want. Anything that increases the distrust between the local population and the refugees only gives them more fodder for their recruiting propaganda.

[dreamville-bg.livejournal.com]

Indeed. Building trust is a two-way game. If one side rapes the other's women, that definitely isn't helping.

[dexeron.livejournal.com]

And, of course, neither does punishing the vast majority of refugees for the actions of a tiny minority.

[dreamville-bg.livejournal.com]

Having the guts to apply one's own law and punish the actual perpetrators would be a good start, as opposed to beating around the bush and attempting to twist one's own stated "values and principles" (tm) for the sake of appearing "tolerant" at any cost.

[mahnmut.livejournal.com]

Meanwhile in Rome (http://www.usapoliticstoday.com/breaking-john-kerry-almost-beaten-up-in-rome-for-fostering-the-expansion-of-isis/)...

He went there to talk about "the victories of American democracy around the world"? WTF is this supposed to mean?

[underlankers.livejournal.com]

Well, if people are fine with Russia intentionally destroying the infrastructure of Syria as a deliberate military strategy, I'm not sure how fostering ISIS is all on the United States.

And we are talking a country barbaric enough to try seismologists for an earthquake.

[mahnmut.livejournal.com]

how fostering ISIS is all on the United States

Strawman.

[underlankers.livejournal.com]

Not really, you'd be impressed with how many Americans are incapable of entertaining the notion something, somewhere can happen without any US influence at all. :)

[underlankers.livejournal.com]

Justice in a country that levels its own cities, imprisons dissidents on the grounds that they exist, and is reviving 19th Century "we have army, you obey" geopolitics with a vengeance?

Very nice joke, and very revealing that what people adore about the Russians is the willingness of their leades to react brutally against a refugee crisis they're doing more than anyone except perhaps the United States to foster with malice aforethought.

[dreamville-bg.livejournal.com]

Justice in a country that levels its own cities (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B%E1%BA%BFn_Tre#Vietnam_War), imprisons dissidents (http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2015/01/obama-imprisoned-whistleblowers-times-longer-presidents-combined.html) on the grounds that they exist, and is reviving 19th Century "we have army, you obey (http://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/feb/15/defector-admits-wmd-lies-iraq-war)" geopolitics with a vengeance?

But thanks for the lecture.

[underlankers.livejournal.com]

1) Uh, I hate to tell you this, but South Vietnam is not in the fucking United States. Geography, dude. Look at a fucking map.

2) Cute, but not quite the same thing as what Putin does to his dissidents. Disappearing them and poisoning them in London and all....but I forget, you get a hard-on for Black Hundreds style posturing from the very people who are causing this fucking refugee crisis in the first place. So.....go on cheering the arsonist as the fireman. :)

3) Ah, no. That's not 19th Century geopolitics, that's a basic rule of starting a war. Invent any pretext, no matter how falsified.

You're welcome for the lecture, BTW, since you seem to mistake arsonists for firemen and Vietnam for the United States.

[luvdovz.livejournal.com]

Excuse me, but an American is probably around the bottom of the list of people that I'd take a lesson on justice from, especially in terms of geopolitics.

[underlankers.livejournal.com]

I have no doubt that's so. But then your comments up thread seem to indicate you're fine with brutality toward refugees on the part of the people burning down their houses, unless that was very poorly done sarcasm. So if you're fine with the people destroying Syria attacking Syrians, don't object to an American giving a geopolitical lecture. Stopped watches are allowed to be right twice a day.

[abomvubuso.livejournal.com]

If you call a lynch-mob "justice", and beating up anyone who crosses your way "another way to do it", then I guess you're right. But then again, this is Russia that we're talking about. The law applies only in some special circumstances.

[dreamville-bg.livejournal.com]

And as it turns out, in most circumstances in the EU, the law only applies when that won't offend anyone.

[abomvubuso.livejournal.com]

I say scrap all laws in Russia then, since there's obviously no need of them. And run the country through presidential decrees. They've come pretty close to that situation anyway, so why bother pretending any more.

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[luvdovz.livejournal.com]

Yeah, threaten me with cards all you want. I will not tolerate someone who hasn't moved a finger on the issue to lecture me about what I am and what I'm fine with. I've invested a lot of my time, money, physical and emotional effort in aiding asylum-seekers in my municipality over the last few months. And I'm being lectured by someone who hasn't left their armchair in ages and whose knowledge of the world comes from dusty books? If relentless strawmanning is what the board prefers over honest debate, so be it. Suspend me or whatever you call what you like doing the most. I know where I stand.

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[mahnmut.livejournal.com]

OK you're pissed, We got that the first time you blurted those profanities out.

Honest debate is more of "You misunderstood me because..." and less of "Fuck you, you're wrong because I said so". If you haven't learned that by now, that's on you. And if you haven't learned by now that this is not the place to rant about how the place is being run, that's on you too. As someone who's been in your position more than a few times, I can respect your personal efforts to a cause you believe in. But no more of this flaming will be tolerated right here. Consider yourself properly informed.