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Could a piece of fiction cause a hatred so strong that would lead to mass killings? The bloody attack in Paris leaving scores of dead innocents will probably add even more dramatism to the vision of one Michel Houellebecq of France as a possible future Islamic republic...


The attack on the satirical magazine Charlie Hebdo that became infamous for its critical positions against Islam and the Muhammad cartoons from previous years (and whose latest cover was directly inspired by Houellebecq's writings), could also have a connection to Houellebecq's new book, where he describes a fictitious scenario of the Islamisation of France.

France, the year 2022. The crescent shines over Paris, and the green flag of Islam floats atop the Elysee Palace. France has just elected its first Muslim president, Mohammed ben Abbes. The new head of state decides to abolish the secular republic, and build an Islamic theocratic state, where polygamy is legalised, and men have all the power. Women are required to wear burqas and have no right to work or study, the Sorbonne is turned into an Islamic university, all professors there being obliged to accept Islam.

Just a fictional story or a peek into the future? The author seems to genuinely believe that such a far-fetched scenario is actually possible, even if it does not happen so soon as his book claims.

Some years ago, the world-famous writer got the high French literary award Goncourt, and the critics have never stopped calling him a highly controversial, even scandalous author ever since. His brand new book Submission only comes to confirm that. It bears an explosive message, which sounds as if it is taken directly from the rhetoric of the far-right Front National, which is now being echoed in Germany as well: "the West is threatened with Islamisation".

The French League against Racism and Anti-Semitism has warned that Houellebecq is playing with people's collective fears. They have called his books "the greatest present that Marine Le Pen could have received". What they mean is the political intrigue in the book: in order to stop FN and Le Pen from taking over the country, the mainstream leftist and centre-right parties collude to deny her the presidency in favour of the Muslim candidate, thus taking the responsibility for what happens afterwards. His critics believe that Houellebecq is settling scores with real French politicians and an entire political caste which in his view has failed to unite society.

French president Francois Hollande has distanced himself from Houellebecq. He believes his books are not some sort of literature bravery, but merely a regurgitation of old populist cliches. Because there have always been people who have praised the decadent and retrograde, and have dwelt in a permanent sense of hopeless pessimism. Houellebecq himself denies the accusation that he is aiming to fuel people's prejudices. The bad boy of French literature does not seem to believe that he merely plays the role of a professional provocateur. He is convinced that Marine Le Pen would not draw any benefits from his books, since she has been doing quite well in recent times, anyway.

Houellebecq's book, as well as in previous cases, has caused very polarised reactions. Some of the critics call it daring, funny, even a sarcastic satire of today's French society. Others call it an Islamophobic lampoon, solely designed to advocate the ideas of the far-right. The philosopher Malek Chebel says that Houellebecq uses his talent to fuel the fears of Islam, and exactly because he is a great writer, he should have more responsibility in that respect.

His books will probably affect the way the French people perceive the Islamic community in their country, along with yesterday's dreadful attack of course. There is a sense among the Muslim community that they are being branded and stigmatised, and used as a scapegoat for all of France's troubles. The economic crisis could naturally cause a crisis of values, even a moral crisis. And some demagogues in politics would be sure to enjoy taking benefit of this in order to sow fear and have political gains as a result. Unfortunately, Houellebecq's books tend to ultimately drive the point in the same direction.

Whether Submission is a painful call against Islam, or merely a social and political snapshot of the French society, Houellebecq himself will not tell. The protagonist in his latest book, a man called Francois, also finds it hard to define himself. He acknowledges that Islam has had both an attractive and repulsive effect on him, which can be quite confusing for the reader as well. This relativism affects both the character and the author, who has said that he neither supports nor rejects his protagonist, but would rather allow the reader to decide for themselves. Let us hope that he will not be massacred by some extremist lunatic in response to his writings, because these are points to be made and openly discussed, as opposed to being tackled with machine-guns and/or self-censorship.

Update: The much dreaded exchange of violence may have already begun.

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Date: 8/1/15 20:53 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dexeron.livejournal.com
"That's not an expression of the freedom of speech."

In many countries, it isn't considered one, but I'd argue that it should be. If we only protect speech that is offensive to no one, we might as well not have free speech at all. Offensive, divisive expression is exactly the sort of thing that deserves the strongest protections*, else the very concept of "freedom of speech" become meaningless.

If some become violent because of said expression, that is a symptom of deeper underlying problems, and those problems won't go away simply by discouraging certain kinds of expression.


(*this does not mean that such speech has no consequences, but these are matters for societal pressure, the court of public opinion, etc. Consequences should be the result of NGOs leveraging social pressure, not state punishment.)

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Date: 8/1/15 21:06 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] htpcl.livejournal.com
I guess it's a matter of how you're approaching potentially offensive, and definitely sensitive issues. Wanting to debate the tenets of Islam and their implications on a free society like France with the adherents to that particular faith is one thing; beginning the discourse by showing the middle finger and/or sticking a dildo up the ass of the one feature of their faith that they quite obviously hold most sacrosanct, does not seem like anything remotely approaching a constructive opening of the debate. Which only confirms that the purpose was never to start a debate in the first place.

Which is what I meant by saying that a sophisticated modern society is supposed to know where the limits of freedom of speech end, and where deliberate disruption begins. I didn't see any social pressure originating from within the French society and directed against crossing that line, have you?

> this does not mean that such speech has no consequences

Precisely my point all along.

As for NGOs, I expect you are aware of the mechanics of potentially using apparent NGOs for state purposes and subtly pushing certain agendas forward, both at home and overseas.
Edited Date: 8/1/15 21:09 (UTC)

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Date: 8/1/15 22:01 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dexeron.livejournal.com
I'm the first to agree that there are "moral" limits to speech. So, for example: as you state, there is perhaps a difference in motive between someone debating tenets of a faith, and simply mocking it. And while I believe that either example should still be allowed, likewise there can be condemnation and protest of the latter (and such condemnation is itself free speech.) The latter is "morally" wrong, I might agree, even if I feel it should be still "legally" allowed.

My main issue is that talk of taking this to courts in lawsuit or slander, or making laws prohibiting offending religious feeling, doesn't only stop the latter example, the one we can agree is morally problematic. The real problem is that it can ultimately begin to infringe on the former type, and can have a de facto chilling effect on speech. Even though mere debate of tenets is not legally prohibited, prosecution of "more offensive" speech can prevent it. (And I know that slippery-slope is often a fallacy, but that doesn't mean that cause and effect don't exist either.)

So, to take a fairly recent American example: while I would (and did!) loudly condemn Terry Jones' Koran burning stunt as a moral wrong (and seriously incredibly counterproductive to establishing any kind of understanding or peace between conflicting groups) I think any attempt to stop him through a lawsuit or more punitive state punishment is likewise harmful. Terry Jones deserves condemnation for trying to incite hatred, but silencing him creates too much collateral damage to other types of speech. (In other words, I feel that Terry Jones is not my idea of a member of a "sophisticated modern society," but any such society must tolerate him in order to remain sophisticated.)

It might be that my country's particular legal take on these matters influences my opinion on it, but I do honestly feel that, despite some obvious pitfalls and potential negative consequences, when weighing opportunity costs and benefits, there are far worse consequences to not doing it in the way I describe. That's just my opinion though, largely derived from seeing such "anti-offensive speech" laws being brought to bear against atheists in religious nations. While attempting to create tolerance (and understandably reacting to legitimate existing problems) they instead seem to create a climate where blasphemy is prohibited - and any dissent from religious orthodoxy is then labelled blasphemy. I don't see that specifically ever happening in Western Europe, but it's a real concern in some nations, even ones that are ostensibly secular.
Edited Date: 8/1/15 22:02 (UTC)

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Date: 8/1/15 22:12 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] htpcl.livejournal.com
I haven't argued that something should not be allowed. Only that most actions have consequences, sometimes consequences that are known well in advance, and are even intended. I believe that a sophisticated society is capable of handling these consequences, whatever they might be.

Ultimately, there are laws. And if someone feels they've been wronged under those laws, they can use the instruments of a lawful state to challenge the perceived offense, and get a chance of being defended by said law. If the court decides that no wrongdoing has been done, so be it. That's how it's done in civilized societies, after all.

Mind you, some people are not concerned about being condemned, either because they're sociopaths or because they have a strong support from within their own community, which tends to compensate the relative backlash that their action might've caused in the rest of society (that pastor, for example). That's where the judicial system steps in. The purpose here is not to have a chilling effect and silence people from expressing whatever bigotry they might be harboring, but rather to provide an avenue for people who feel they've been wronged, to seek justice for whatever wrongdoings they believe have been committed against them.

That said, taking a machine-gun and starting to massacre people is out of the question. It's Medieval and has no place in these societies, period.
Edited Date: 8/1/15 22:13 (UTC)

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