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talkpoliticsNowadays I have read the 'interview' with the 'leading American geopolitical scientist and analyst that had received the Nobel Prize - Henry Kissinger.' At first by some russian sites as quite serious analytical information, and only after some fail in LJ-entries I have known that it is "joke" by satirical site "The daily SQUIB".
It’s very good known by us, in post-soviet area (in the world of Rus’), that Henry, as Zbigniew Kazimierz Brzeziński are very important intellectual for the real US political rule. And the general orientation of this political figure is quite rusophobian. If this joke was about Obama, I could understand this joke, but Kissinger... It was so real, as the sky upon me.
In this interview the old politician open the poker cards, and we in Russia could understand that it is the factual declaration of war, and war not against regime, but against nation. Yes, I think namely so. I understand, that it is joke only by help of my American readers. What thoughts do I have? Not very pretty.
I think:
We know, that American and British intellectuals (the conflict with Russia isn’t the real American thing, but the import idea from old British Empire with their “The Great Game”) sometimes are very truthful, when they feel own absolute impunity, when they feel to be Gods and Heroes. We always fear such mood in western establishment, because it made them very aggressive and dangerous not only for us, but for the own nation too. Our history experience show us that such ideology appeared in the West, when your elites try to solve all own internal problems through evils of war. Hitler made such way…
"The United States is baiting China and Russia, and the final nail in the coffin will be Iran, which is, of course, the main target of Israel. We have allowed China to increase their military strength and Russia to recover from Sovietization (what recover???, to give them a false sense of bravado, this will create an all together faster demise for them. We're like the sharp shooter daring the noob to pick up the gun, and when they try, it's bang bang. The coming war will will be so severe that only one superpower can win, and that's us folks. This is why the EU is in such a hurry to form a complete superstate because they know what is coming, and to survive, Europe will have to be one whole cohesive state. Their urgency tells me that they know full well that the big showdown is upon us. O how I have dreamed of this delightful moment."
"Control oil and you control nations; control food and you control the people."
Mr Kissinger then added: "If you are an ordinary person, then you can prepare yourself for war by moving to the countryside and building a farm, but you must take guns with you, as the hordes of starving will be roaming. Also, even though the elite will have their safe havens and specialist shelters, they must be just as careful during the war as the ordinary civilians, because their shelters can still be compromised."
After pausing for a few minutes to collect his thoughts, Mr Kissinger, carried on: "We told the military that we would have to take over seven Middle Eastern countries for their resources and they have nearly completed their job. We all know what I think of the military, but I have to say they have obeyed orders superfluously this time. It is just that last stepping stone, i.e. Iran which will really tip the balance. How long can China and Russia stand by and watch America clean up? The great Russian bear and Chinese sickle will be roused from their slumber and this is when Israel will have to fight with all its might and weapons to kill as many Arabs as it can. Hopefully if all goes well, half the Middle East will be Israeli. Our young have been trained well for the last decade or so on combat console games, it was interesting to see the new Call of Duty Modern Warfare 3 game, which mirrors exactly what is to come in the near future with its predictive programming. Our young, in the US and West, are prepared because they have been programmed to be good soldiers, cannon fodder, and when they will be ordered to go out into the streets and fight those crazy Chins and Russkies, they will obey their orders. Out of the ashes we shall build a new society, a new world order; there will only be one superpower left, and that one will be the global government that wins. Don't forget, the United States, has the best weapons, we have stuff that no other nation has, and we will introduce those weapons to the world when the time is right."
If you know Russia really, you can understand that the war with us isn’t the best variant. I don’t said, that we are strong and invincible. The problem is other: our resources are small and always we need to defense them to the last man, because our nation had in such conflicts the choose between the possible death in the battle and the unavoidable death, if the enemies are win. It’s reality. Our soldier in such conflict are other, than it was in Afghanistan. Russian warriors are usually very weak in aggressive operations, because our culture makes the small motivation for this.
Remember Afghanistan or the war with Finland in 1939. Russian showed themselves as very weak, because it was against our mentality and our culture. We are always not so numerous for aggressive control of other territories; we have too much own poor territories for such motivation. The Russian mentality is formed under special conditions, because the most of our territory we have received not by offensive war against peaceful neighbors, but from the aggressors, in the defend wars. Siberia, Middle Asia we have received from mongol-tatarian in the campaign for national deliberation against Mongols occupation and enslavement, the whole west territories by war against Polish, who occupied Moscow in 1612… and so on and so far. Factually the whole territories of modern Russia were formed by such way.
It gives us the faith in the special cathegories of “pravda and krivda”, and in this meaning ‘pravda’ isn’t truth, but something like “good karma” (and krivda – ‘bad karma’). It isn’t astonish, because Russians are originated from Indo-Arian pracivilization (Russian language, and especially Ukrainian language (it is not the same thing) are very near to Sanskrit), and we have inherited some moral and spiritual bases from this ancient pracivilization. So, the aggression against peaceful people makes ‘krivda’, and it leads the aggressor to decay and death, and in contrary, the defence is ‘pravda’, and the God award for it. By the way, according to this national faith, the award and punishment for ‘pravda’ and ‘krivda’ are both in afterlife (for persons) and for folk (for children and descendants) generally in the real future. For real Russians there is not only their physical existence the life, but also spiritual afterlife and national, folk and kin existence. It’s make the mind a little different, as it is for western people. And this mentality Russians show usually in extreme dangerous situations. The war with Russia is the fight for poor and inconvenient areas with tooth and nail. It’s really not very clever idea.
It’s very good known by us, in post-soviet area (in the world of Rus’), that Henry, as Zbigniew Kazimierz Brzeziński are very important intellectual for the real US political rule. And the general orientation of this political figure is quite rusophobian. If this joke was about Obama, I could understand this joke, but Kissinger... It was so real, as the sky upon me.
In this interview the old politician open the poker cards, and we in Russia could understand that it is the factual declaration of war, and war not against regime, but against nation. Yes, I think namely so. I understand, that it is joke only by help of my American readers. What thoughts do I have? Not very pretty.
I think:
We know, that American and British intellectuals (the conflict with Russia isn’t the real American thing, but the import idea from old British Empire with their “The Great Game”) sometimes are very truthful, when they feel own absolute impunity, when they feel to be Gods and Heroes. We always fear such mood in western establishment, because it made them very aggressive and dangerous not only for us, but for the own nation too. Our history experience show us that such ideology appeared in the West, when your elites try to solve all own internal problems through evils of war. Hitler made such way…
"The United States is baiting China and Russia, and the final nail in the coffin will be Iran, which is, of course, the main target of Israel. We have allowed China to increase their military strength and Russia to recover from Sovietization (what recover???, to give them a false sense of bravado, this will create an all together faster demise for them. We're like the sharp shooter daring the noob to pick up the gun, and when they try, it's bang bang. The coming war will will be so severe that only one superpower can win, and that's us folks. This is why the EU is in such a hurry to form a complete superstate because they know what is coming, and to survive, Europe will have to be one whole cohesive state. Their urgency tells me that they know full well that the big showdown is upon us. O how I have dreamed of this delightful moment."
"Control oil and you control nations; control food and you control the people."
Mr Kissinger then added: "If you are an ordinary person, then you can prepare yourself for war by moving to the countryside and building a farm, but you must take guns with you, as the hordes of starving will be roaming. Also, even though the elite will have their safe havens and specialist shelters, they must be just as careful during the war as the ordinary civilians, because their shelters can still be compromised."
After pausing for a few minutes to collect his thoughts, Mr Kissinger, carried on: "We told the military that we would have to take over seven Middle Eastern countries for their resources and they have nearly completed their job. We all know what I think of the military, but I have to say they have obeyed orders superfluously this time. It is just that last stepping stone, i.e. Iran which will really tip the balance. How long can China and Russia stand by and watch America clean up? The great Russian bear and Chinese sickle will be roused from their slumber and this is when Israel will have to fight with all its might and weapons to kill as many Arabs as it can. Hopefully if all goes well, half the Middle East will be Israeli. Our young have been trained well for the last decade or so on combat console games, it was interesting to see the new Call of Duty Modern Warfare 3 game, which mirrors exactly what is to come in the near future with its predictive programming. Our young, in the US and West, are prepared because they have been programmed to be good soldiers, cannon fodder, and when they will be ordered to go out into the streets and fight those crazy Chins and Russkies, they will obey their orders. Out of the ashes we shall build a new society, a new world order; there will only be one superpower left, and that one will be the global government that wins. Don't forget, the United States, has the best weapons, we have stuff that no other nation has, and we will introduce those weapons to the world when the time is right."
If you know Russia really, you can understand that the war with us isn’t the best variant. I don’t said, that we are strong and invincible. The problem is other: our resources are small and always we need to defense them to the last man, because our nation had in such conflicts the choose between the possible death in the battle and the unavoidable death, if the enemies are win. It’s reality. Our soldier in such conflict are other, than it was in Afghanistan. Russian warriors are usually very weak in aggressive operations, because our culture makes the small motivation for this.
Remember Afghanistan or the war with Finland in 1939. Russian showed themselves as very weak, because it was against our mentality and our culture. We are always not so numerous for aggressive control of other territories; we have too much own poor territories for such motivation. The Russian mentality is formed under special conditions, because the most of our territory we have received not by offensive war against peaceful neighbors, but from the aggressors, in the defend wars. Siberia, Middle Asia we have received from mongol-tatarian in the campaign for national deliberation against Mongols occupation and enslavement, the whole west territories by war against Polish, who occupied Moscow in 1612… and so on and so far. Factually the whole territories of modern Russia were formed by such way.
It gives us the faith in the special cathegories of “pravda and krivda”, and in this meaning ‘pravda’ isn’t truth, but something like “good karma” (and krivda – ‘bad karma’). It isn’t astonish, because Russians are originated from Indo-Arian pracivilization (Russian language, and especially Ukrainian language (it is not the same thing) are very near to Sanskrit), and we have inherited some moral and spiritual bases from this ancient pracivilization. So, the aggression against peaceful people makes ‘krivda’, and it leads the aggressor to decay and death, and in contrary, the defence is ‘pravda’, and the God award for it. By the way, according to this national faith, the award and punishment for ‘pravda’ and ‘krivda’ are both in afterlife (for persons) and for folk (for children and descendants) generally in the real future. For real Russians there is not only their physical existence the life, but also spiritual afterlife and national, folk and kin existence. It’s make the mind a little different, as it is for western people. And this mentality Russians show usually in extreme dangerous situations. The war with Russia is the fight for poor and inconvenient areas with tooth and nail. It’s really not very clever idea.
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Date: 4/10/13 17:48 (UTC)Henry Kissinger is a pompous, bloviating arsehole who ought to be dragged in front of a war crimes tribunal, BUT:
Would you mind sourcing that alleged section of quote? Because if someone got the man to actually say all of that on record, my first assumption is that he has finally and fully succumbed to senile dementia. So if the premise of your post is that Kissinger actually SAID all of that, I am going to suggest you've been fed a complete load of hooey.
(no subject)
Date: 4/10/13 17:52 (UTC)http://www.dailysquib.co.uk/world/3089-henry-kissinger-if-you-can-t-hear-the-drums-of-war-you-must-be-deaf.html
This is a SATIRE site.
Honestly, people, if you cannot learn to detect the signs of Onionification on the Internet, please stop posting. I can forgive my Dad when he mistakes the Borowitz Report for news, but this is Livejournal: there are standards to uphold.
(no subject)
Date: 4/10/13 17:57 (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 4/10/13 19:53 (UTC)P/S. Ooops. Was it a joke?! Shit, how can I stop our ballistic missiles.
(no subject)
Date: 4/10/13 20:04 (UTC)If only you could now fix the murderous text formatting...
(no subject)
Date: 4/10/13 23:13 (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 4/10/13 17:53 (UTC)I enjoyed ithis reading very much.
Next time, could you mention wodka, too?
At least twice.
Please...
Thanx again.
This is just to add some oiling to what you're trying to communicate - with it your idea will slip into the people's mind flawlessly.
(no subject)
Date: 4/10/13 17:54 (UTC)Are you funning with us, you scamp?
(no subject)
Date: 4/10/13 19:01 (UTC)So, when you declare, "So, the aggression against peaceful people makes ‘krivda’, and it leads the aggressor to decay and death, and in contrary, the defence is ‘pravda’, and the God award for it," I have to take issue. The PIE people were an expanding, war-like people. They ran roughshod over hunter-gatherers and early farmers from their original stomping grounds likely spreading from the center across both Europe and Asia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proto-Indo-European_Urheimat_hypotheses) for reasons it would be too lengthy to explain in detail.
Given that, and given that both English (Kissenger's language) and you own descend from the same stock, perhaps you might want to revisit your krivda/pravda dichotomy.
(no subject)
Date: 4/10/13 19:05 (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 4/10/13 19:06 (UTC)Secondly, name your sources. Hint: The Daily Squib is not a real source. It's a humorous satirical site where authors create realities of their own - like Uncyclopedia and UnNews. It has headlines like "Boat Full of Refugee American Doctors Rescued Off Coast of Guatemala" and "Ed Miliband Calls For Marxist Bolshevik Revolution". I thought you should know, before going against your next army of strawmen.
Finally, let me add the appropriate tag now.
(no subject)
Date: 4/10/13 19:48 (UTC)I don't response, because I've receive so many messages that i need to delete almost all to observe new. As for sources... Yes, it's my mistake. You should to forgive me, because in our virtual area (Runet) some of your sources is showed as quite real, serious and absolute not satirical site. You understand, that for russian-languaged man it's not very easy to understand it, especially if you have the quite serious russian-languaged sites with such links. May be, it's a part for informational war... I'm sorry.
(no subject)
Date: 4/10/13 20:01 (UTC)http://www.livejournal.com/support/faq/75.html
I've learned not to respond to messages through the Inbox. Occasionally refreshing your post would be more suitable for viewing the new comments.
> in our virtual area (Runet) some of your sources is showed as quite real, serious and absolute not satirical site
A brief 10-second look through the main page of The Daily Squib would've made it more than clear to you what kind of site that is. Just some examples of the headlines, which could've given you an idea before you hurried to cite it as a "source":
"Record Company Orders Miley Cyrus to Have Mouth Sewn Shut"
"God Says Chem Trails Are Lines of Heavenly Coke"
...and the cherry of the cake:
"Jesus to Land On Earth Tomorrow at 06.15 (UTC)"
> you have the quite serious russian-languaged sites with such links
Now THAT is a problem. And it may explain a lot about the weird paranoid stuff that I regularly witness being tossed around presumably "serious" Russian-language online spaces.
(no subject)
Date: 4/10/13 20:13 (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 4/10/13 20:33 (UTC)"Jesus to Land On Earth Tomorrow at 06.15 (UTC)"
You do understand what it says, don't you? It means we should expect the Second Coming tomorrow morning. ;-)
Now, can this be real news? Yes/No?
Let's stop bullshitting each other and be honest here for a moment. I don't think the issue is with the language. It's with the blind trust in sources that you may've chosen to trust to tell you the "truth" for reasons that only you know. It's what many people do - they choose an authority to conveniently digest things for them, then regurgitate it in a nice package - without a single hint of critical thought. Especially when those things match their preconceived beliefs. Confirmation bias can be a very powerful thing indeed. We both live in a part of the world which for a time used to bring this art into perfection: mass manipulation. I suspect it has sifted into our blood at this point, us East Europeans and Slavonic peeps in particular.
In a nutshell: you WANTED this to be true.
(no subject)
Date: 4/10/13 20:49 (UTC)Language is very important too. Because of time and lazyness. I was too lazy for to really check the english-sources links.
(no subject)
Date: 4/10/13 20:51 (UTC)> I was too lazy for to really check
Next time you'll do better.
Just practice that lj cut of yours.
(no subject)
Date: 4/10/13 21:03 (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 4/10/13 21:13 (UTC)Mind you, the untrustworthiness(sic?) of your source doesn't render your thoughts completely invalid. It just puts the "event" that you used as a premise in question.
As for the mood, hey it's Friday. Rakia might help!
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Date: 4/10/13 21:32 (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 4/10/13 21:43 (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 4/10/13 23:10 (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 6/10/13 09:23 (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 6/10/13 10:41 (UTC)I thought you had understood how formatting works? You at least seemed to indicate so. And yet, neither of your posts has undergone any amendments in that respect.
I'm sorry, you've already been given ample opportunities at this point. Admittedly, this is the first time we've taken such a step regarding the otherwise rather obscure rule #4 (you did read the rules (http://talk-politics.livejournal.com/profile) before posting, right?), but there's always a first, I guess.
(no subject)
Date: 6/10/13 17:10 (UTC)As for rules, you might to know that Russians read instructions about the explotation of some equpment only if this equipment has been already broken down... Really, it is so. It is the "avos'" prinzip.
(no subject)
Date: 6/10/13 17:28 (UTC)I have explored your posts. They're still unreadable.
(no subject)
Date: 6/10/13 18:10 (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 6/10/13 18:33 (UTC)Generally, your behavour is like the behavour of European Union. Rules, rules, rules, rules....
(no subject)
Date: 6/10/13 18:38 (UTC)Try editing your latest two posts now. I've removed the posting-block.
I'm saying these are still unreadable because there's still no spacing between paragraphs, which makes it almost impossible to follow the text. But let's not be too pedantic (like the EU) and say a simple cut would do the job for now. Maybe you'll learn to format your paragraphs as well (although I doubt you'd bother at this point).
(no subject)
Date: 6/10/13 18:41 (UTC)Generally, your community is very interesting source for me. It's much more interesting to work, as with our pseudoliberal trolls in some other communities.
(no subject)
Date: 6/10/13 18:50 (UTC)One might think that the moment you compared us to the EU, things went your way. That might give you some bad ideas (no no don't listen to me!)
(no subject)
Date: 4/10/13 20:43 (UTC)Example:
- Did Brzezinsky really say the United States is baiting China and Russia?
Oookay then. Go to Google, then type in the search box: brzezinsky+baiting+china+russia.
Done!
Then compare the "sources" (if any) to the narrative you've just crafted. Does it add up? If yes: bingo! You have a discovery! If no: go back to the draw-board. Easy-peasy?
Don't worry. Takes some time but you'll get used to it.
(no subject)
Date: 4/10/13 20:05 (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 4/10/13 20:02 (UTC)For me this information was absolutely not like a joke, because I regard very attentively the situation by Iran, and the words by "Kissinger" was absolutely not so funny on this background. It looks like very real plan, which realized very punctually. I was shocked.
(no subject)
Date: 4/10/13 20:11 (UTC)BREAKING NEWS, PEOPLE!
Sociopath Netanyahu re-fuses Iranian peace initiative (http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/UnNews:Sociopath_Netanyahu_re-fuses_Iranian_peace_initiative)
The sociopath in question: ----->
quote:
Iran now has a fully operational atom bomb that could reach New York in two or three weeks, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu told the UN on Tuesday. The news comes after Iranian President Hassan Rouhani launched his “charm defensive,” at the same UN while attempting to counter the Corporatist controlled mainstream media.
“Iran now has sail boats which could reach this city in two to three weeks,” Netanyahu said, speaking to the scarcely attended UN General Assembly in New York. He used this argument to bring the “truth” about Iran into a practical dimension. “I assure you,” Netanyahu told the empty room, “within a few weeks an Iranian boat could sail to New York and detonate the suicide bomb next to the United Nations.“
Netanyahu stressed that Iran’s nuclear bomb is not peaceful. “Why would a country with a peaceful nuclear bomb develop intercontinental sail boats, whose sole purpose is to deliver nuclear bombs,” he asked, but no one bothered to reply.
Etc.
See? It's written on the Internet, so it must be true! And we must take it very seriously! Now that it's been also linked on a reputed online forum (namely: this one), we have a meta-source as well! HELP US SPREAD THE WORD, PEOPLE! WAKE UP AND OPEN YOUR EYES!
(no subject)
Date: 4/10/13 20:06 (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 4/10/13 20:15 (UTC)Ugh. At least had to try. Sounded so much like someone I knew.
Funny how anything can be the truth when you wish it really, really hard. Right? ;)
(no subject)
Date: 4/10/13 21:45 (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 5/10/13 15:35 (UTC)and I'm not even drunk
what gives?
(no subject)
Date: 5/10/13 17:33 (UTC)