The scramble for Syria
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O, hail, my fellow bored American Idol fans curious peeps who are so utterly concerned about peace and justice in the world! Realpolitik can be a real biach, I say. The biachiest biach of them all, actually. So here are a couple of fancy maps with many colors that look kinda realpolitik-ey.

Today Syria is the arena of fierce clashes between various players. A rain of blood pours on the ancient Syrian land and scourges it with sorrow and pain, while the various players are accusing each other for the tragedy. Politics is being played with ghostly chess pieces, and loud scandals explode like chemical bombs for everyone to hear, and to distract the public from the real issue.
The real issue starts to come out as soon as we take a map of the region and start looking at it. Look at the above two maps, and I think you'll begin to guess where I'm going with all this. It doesn't take more than a few seconds to figure out the connection between the places where modern-day clashes and conflicts tend to take place, and the map of the major energy resources.
Syria has found itself in the middle of a storm, between the hits and blows of a greedy clique which has set its hungry eyes on two huge gas fields: the Levantine one and the one they call South Pars.
In 2010 the Texas company Noble Energy discovered the Leviathan and Tamar fields in the Mediterranean, and later it turned out they were just part of an entire system of natural gas deposits, which is now known as the Levantine field. Its potential deposits are estimated at 3.5 trillion cubic meters of natural gas, as well as at least 1.7 billion barrels of oil. Israel instantly declared its intentions to start working on the deposits, and indeed a few days ago they started the Tamar project. Although there is also ground for claims on the Levantine basin from Syria, Lebanon, Cyprus and also the Palestinians. On top of that, the preliminary research shows that this could just be the tip of the iceberg, and much larger deposits of gas could be lurking beneath the waters between Egypt and Greece/Turkey. As early as 2009 a Greek company had made explorations in the area, and small oil deposits were found there. Today, these are estimated at 22 billion barrels in the region of the western Greek coast alone, and about 4 billion barrels in the northern section of the Ionian Sea.
So what's been happening with all the countries involved?
Well, we all know that Greece is already out of the game, and later Cyprus followed its fate. Both countries were led to bankruptcy by various factors, the shitty banking system being a major one among them (in the case with Cyprus, that was basically the only factor). Presently, they're both pressed against the wall, totally incapable of setting any terms and conditions in the game. They're out of the equation for the time being. And what about Syria? There's a devastating civil war raging there for more than two years now, it has destroyed its entire infrastructure, and Syria is also out of the equation.
The Arab spring has knocked Egypt out of the equation too; and in Lebanon, the biggest opponents to the Israeli appropriation of the Leviathan field, the Shia military organization Hezbollah, is now being accused for nearly every evil in the region, and their military branch has been duly placed in the list of terrorist organizations, the push being toward placing the entire organization there. Which means Europe will stop talking to them, and consider them their deadly enemy. And there's just one way to deal with a deadly enemy: shoot it.
The stakes have been raised with the involvement of Turkey which lusts for the gas fields in Cyrpiot waters, using the argument of North Cyprus. Whose claims are legitimate and whose aren't - that largely depends on who you ask. The fact is that Israel is aiming to pass pipelines across Cyprus and Turkey, and from there, to access the lucrative European markets. Hence the recent meetings between Obama and Turkish prime minister Erdogan.
Thus, the logic suggests the following: the Mediterranean gas/oil deposits are certainly one of the major reasons for the crisis in Syria, and the recent activeness of Turkey and Israel. And here of course we're speaking of many, many trillions of dollars. Ones which the public won't see a dime from - only those fat cats sitting in their shiny offices at the HQs of the oil conglomerates. And probably some noble guys on Capitol Hill.

Now this cute blob over here is South Pars, a natural gas field that's presently being shared by Iran and Qatar. It's not just huge. It's by far the hugest gas field in the entire world, its volume is 6 times the size of the second largest field on the planet, Urengoy field in Russia. And much more accessible, mind you. Now, that field has been at the core of the recent conflict between the Sunni and Shia around the Gulf (despite the general media blackout on the matter due to the fact that the Saudis are "our buddies", some of us must might've heard what has happened in Bahrain). Of course right now Iran is a real thorn in the ass of the US interests in the region - the country is the 2nd largest in the world in terms of proven gas resources, with 33.5 trillion cubic meters. The planned pipelines between Pakistan and Iran mean that Iran could begin exporting gas to China directly at some point; and the Qatari share of the field, due to that country's small size, is of a limited mobility in comparison.
This way, Syria turns out to be a very important part of the corridor that's meant to connect Iran to the Mediterranean, and from there, again, to allow Iran to gain access to the European (and North African) markets. Syria is actually *the* key element in that plan, a situation which of course does not suit Qatar, and neither Turkey, which is fiercely pressing for the Nabucco project, which should place the pipeline route across Turkey. An Iranian corridor from China to the Mediterranean would be a geopolitical disaster for both Turkey and the Saudis, so make no mistake: they'll stop at nothing to prevent it from happening.

No surprise that the main "sponsors" and supporters of the Syrian revolution are exactly Turkey, Qatar and Saudi Arabia, and they don't shy away from admitting this openly (btw there's been something like a competition in that respect as well, which the Saudis seem to be winning as of now). It's also no coincidence that the so called Syrian Free Army consists almost entirely of radical Islamist groups. A tactic that was used in the Afghanistan war (the previous one against Russia), and now in Libya. As for Iraq, the bombing acts against key politicians from the energy branch of government have become very frequent in recent weeks. Again, that's related to Iran's increased influence on Iraqi politics. Ironically, removing Saddam did a great favor to the ayatollahs.
One thing has become obvious: after the wars in Libya and Iraq, the control on the previously nationalized oil has now been "privatized" - and always by the same old companies that we all know and love. Of course now the big target is Iran, but it's a player too big to handle in the same manner, so what is to be done is to install a puppet that would allow these corporations into the game with the Iranian resources. While in the meantime surrounding Iran with obstacles, very much like the way Brzezinsky proposed to handle Russia in his Grand Chessboard concept. And Syria is a piece in that puzzle, the last remaining major partner of Iran. 3 years ago, Iran and Syria reached an agreement on a joint project that would involve Iraq. It's obvious now that this project will fail thanks to the events in Syria.
The levels of hypocrisy in the Middle east have reached unprecedented heights. We're constantly hearing how the war in Syria is about democracy, and how the "rebels" are "freedom-fighters". Those same rebels, who in their great part are foreign mujahideen and radical Islamist fighters. Hell, the opposition in Syria is openly admitting being financed by Saudi Arabia and Qatar! You see, those two paragons of freedom and liberty will be teaching Syria of democracy. It's like a tapir teaching a falcon to fly. But when you've got a huge media apparatus supporting that narrative, of course many among the public would take it all, hook, line and sinker.
We're talking of that same Saudi Arabia, you know, the despotic theocracy where you'd end up being tortured and killed by the religious police without a trial for preaching a different religion, and where women have a status that puts them roughly somewhere between homo neanderthalensis and bos primigenius (i.e. cattle). That's the teacher in democracy that the Syrian rebels are striving to emulate, is it? Or Qatar, whose constitution is a complete mystery. The two Wahhabi states where Sharia is the law of the land - they're the driving factors behind the so called Syrian "revolution"? I'm really not sure which of the two should take the crown of the hypocrisy champion and which should settle for the silver.
But even so, the big loser from this game is already known. It's Syria, and the Syrian people. Because objective #1 has been already met. Almost the entire infrastructure of the country is destroyed now, and the "freedom fighters" that are constantly pouring into the country, are on par with the government's atrocities, if not much worse, blowing up factories and key administrative locations all over the place, and exterminating and intimidating the population of entire regions.
And the worst is that the sectarian card is now being played as well. This is a very strong trump card in the hands of the big geopolitical/business puppetmasters who can easily manipulate the relations in that region by skillfully using the religious factor. The tolerant, peaceful Syrian society which for many years had lived unshaken by all the religious clashes that were raging elsewhere, will now be haunted for generations by this. As it has happened in Iraq, from where 350,000 Christians sought refuge exactly in Syria (and for a reason), while the rest fled elsewhere, driven out by the radical groups in a country that was torn into three pieces (Shia, Sunni and Kurdish).
When you drive the car into the religious wheel-tracks, there's no coming out. The domino effect is set into motion, and the blocks begin to fall one after another, pushed by the unstoppable forces of vengeance, hatred and fear. And who wins from all this? Well, as we know, "Good business is best done in muddy waters".

Today Syria is the arena of fierce clashes between various players. A rain of blood pours on the ancient Syrian land and scourges it with sorrow and pain, while the various players are accusing each other for the tragedy. Politics is being played with ghostly chess pieces, and loud scandals explode like chemical bombs for everyone to hear, and to distract the public from the real issue.
The real issue starts to come out as soon as we take a map of the region and start looking at it. Look at the above two maps, and I think you'll begin to guess where I'm going with all this. It doesn't take more than a few seconds to figure out the connection between the places where modern-day clashes and conflicts tend to take place, and the map of the major energy resources.
Syria has found itself in the middle of a storm, between the hits and blows of a greedy clique which has set its hungry eyes on two huge gas fields: the Levantine one and the one they call South Pars.
In 2010 the Texas company Noble Energy discovered the Leviathan and Tamar fields in the Mediterranean, and later it turned out they were just part of an entire system of natural gas deposits, which is now known as the Levantine field. Its potential deposits are estimated at 3.5 trillion cubic meters of natural gas, as well as at least 1.7 billion barrels of oil. Israel instantly declared its intentions to start working on the deposits, and indeed a few days ago they started the Tamar project. Although there is also ground for claims on the Levantine basin from Syria, Lebanon, Cyprus and also the Palestinians. On top of that, the preliminary research shows that this could just be the tip of the iceberg, and much larger deposits of gas could be lurking beneath the waters between Egypt and Greece/Turkey. As early as 2009 a Greek company had made explorations in the area, and small oil deposits were found there. Today, these are estimated at 22 billion barrels in the region of the western Greek coast alone, and about 4 billion barrels in the northern section of the Ionian Sea.
So what's been happening with all the countries involved?
Well, we all know that Greece is already out of the game, and later Cyprus followed its fate. Both countries were led to bankruptcy by various factors, the shitty banking system being a major one among them (in the case with Cyprus, that was basically the only factor). Presently, they're both pressed against the wall, totally incapable of setting any terms and conditions in the game. They're out of the equation for the time being. And what about Syria? There's a devastating civil war raging there for more than two years now, it has destroyed its entire infrastructure, and Syria is also out of the equation.
The Arab spring has knocked Egypt out of the equation too; and in Lebanon, the biggest opponents to the Israeli appropriation of the Leviathan field, the Shia military organization Hezbollah, is now being accused for nearly every evil in the region, and their military branch has been duly placed in the list of terrorist organizations, the push being toward placing the entire organization there. Which means Europe will stop talking to them, and consider them their deadly enemy. And there's just one way to deal with a deadly enemy: shoot it.
The stakes have been raised with the involvement of Turkey which lusts for the gas fields in Cyrpiot waters, using the argument of North Cyprus. Whose claims are legitimate and whose aren't - that largely depends on who you ask. The fact is that Israel is aiming to pass pipelines across Cyprus and Turkey, and from there, to access the lucrative European markets. Hence the recent meetings between Obama and Turkish prime minister Erdogan.
Thus, the logic suggests the following: the Mediterranean gas/oil deposits are certainly one of the major reasons for the crisis in Syria, and the recent activeness of Turkey and Israel. And here of course we're speaking of many, many trillions of dollars. Ones which the public won't see a dime from - only those fat cats sitting in their shiny offices at the HQs of the oil conglomerates. And probably some noble guys on Capitol Hill.

Now this cute blob over here is South Pars, a natural gas field that's presently being shared by Iran and Qatar. It's not just huge. It's by far the hugest gas field in the entire world, its volume is 6 times the size of the second largest field on the planet, Urengoy field in Russia. And much more accessible, mind you. Now, that field has been at the core of the recent conflict between the Sunni and Shia around the Gulf (despite the general media blackout on the matter due to the fact that the Saudis are "our buddies", some of us must might've heard what has happened in Bahrain). Of course right now Iran is a real thorn in the ass of the US interests in the region - the country is the 2nd largest in the world in terms of proven gas resources, with 33.5 trillion cubic meters. The planned pipelines between Pakistan and Iran mean that Iran could begin exporting gas to China directly at some point; and the Qatari share of the field, due to that country's small size, is of a limited mobility in comparison.
This way, Syria turns out to be a very important part of the corridor that's meant to connect Iran to the Mediterranean, and from there, again, to allow Iran to gain access to the European (and North African) markets. Syria is actually *the* key element in that plan, a situation which of course does not suit Qatar, and neither Turkey, which is fiercely pressing for the Nabucco project, which should place the pipeline route across Turkey. An Iranian corridor from China to the Mediterranean would be a geopolitical disaster for both Turkey and the Saudis, so make no mistake: they'll stop at nothing to prevent it from happening.

No surprise that the main "sponsors" and supporters of the Syrian revolution are exactly Turkey, Qatar and Saudi Arabia, and they don't shy away from admitting this openly (btw there's been something like a competition in that respect as well, which the Saudis seem to be winning as of now). It's also no coincidence that the so called Syrian Free Army consists almost entirely of radical Islamist groups. A tactic that was used in the Afghanistan war (the previous one against Russia), and now in Libya. As for Iraq, the bombing acts against key politicians from the energy branch of government have become very frequent in recent weeks. Again, that's related to Iran's increased influence on Iraqi politics. Ironically, removing Saddam did a great favor to the ayatollahs.
One thing has become obvious: after the wars in Libya and Iraq, the control on the previously nationalized oil has now been "privatized" - and always by the same old companies that we all know and love. Of course now the big target is Iran, but it's a player too big to handle in the same manner, so what is to be done is to install a puppet that would allow these corporations into the game with the Iranian resources. While in the meantime surrounding Iran with obstacles, very much like the way Brzezinsky proposed to handle Russia in his Grand Chessboard concept. And Syria is a piece in that puzzle, the last remaining major partner of Iran. 3 years ago, Iran and Syria reached an agreement on a joint project that would involve Iraq. It's obvious now that this project will fail thanks to the events in Syria.
The levels of hypocrisy in the Middle east have reached unprecedented heights. We're constantly hearing how the war in Syria is about democracy, and how the "rebels" are "freedom-fighters". Those same rebels, who in their great part are foreign mujahideen and radical Islamist fighters. Hell, the opposition in Syria is openly admitting being financed by Saudi Arabia and Qatar! You see, those two paragons of freedom and liberty will be teaching Syria of democracy. It's like a tapir teaching a falcon to fly. But when you've got a huge media apparatus supporting that narrative, of course many among the public would take it all, hook, line and sinker.
We're talking of that same Saudi Arabia, you know, the despotic theocracy where you'd end up being tortured and killed by the religious police without a trial for preaching a different religion, and where women have a status that puts them roughly somewhere between homo neanderthalensis and bos primigenius (i.e. cattle). That's the teacher in democracy that the Syrian rebels are striving to emulate, is it? Or Qatar, whose constitution is a complete mystery. The two Wahhabi states where Sharia is the law of the land - they're the driving factors behind the so called Syrian "revolution"? I'm really not sure which of the two should take the crown of the hypocrisy champion and which should settle for the silver.
But even so, the big loser from this game is already known. It's Syria, and the Syrian people. Because objective #1 has been already met. Almost the entire infrastructure of the country is destroyed now, and the "freedom fighters" that are constantly pouring into the country, are on par with the government's atrocities, if not much worse, blowing up factories and key administrative locations all over the place, and exterminating and intimidating the population of entire regions.
And the worst is that the sectarian card is now being played as well. This is a very strong trump card in the hands of the big geopolitical/business puppetmasters who can easily manipulate the relations in that region by skillfully using the religious factor. The tolerant, peaceful Syrian society which for many years had lived unshaken by all the religious clashes that were raging elsewhere, will now be haunted for generations by this. As it has happened in Iraq, from where 350,000 Christians sought refuge exactly in Syria (and for a reason), while the rest fled elsewhere, driven out by the radical groups in a country that was torn into three pieces (Shia, Sunni and Kurdish).
When you drive the car into the religious wheel-tracks, there's no coming out. The domino effect is set into motion, and the blocks begin to fall one after another, pushed by the unstoppable forces of vengeance, hatred and fear. And who wins from all this? Well, as we know, "Good business is best done in muddy waters".
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Date: 31/8/13 17:45 (UTC)It's the only way.
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Date: 31/8/13 18:25 (UTC)Human greed knows no boundaries.
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Date: 2/9/13 19:02 (UTC)Because that's the age old enemy of environmentalism, the douchebags that are trying to defend their right to be douchebags
I'm thinking that maybe we should make an electric fighter jet. That should satisfy anyone.
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Date: 31/8/13 17:53 (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 31/8/13 18:01 (UTC)But then, to a cop the explanation is never that complicated. It's always simple. There's no mystery to the street, no arch criminal behind it all. If you got a dead body and you think his brother did it, you're gonna find out you're right...
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Date: 31/8/13 18:30 (UTC)It's just that the system of geopolitical relations is such that it creates prerequisites for pulling certain levers and using certain tools in certain ways by the main players in the game, and pushing things in a certain direction that is considered beneficial for said country/society/economy/group-of-business-entities.
A government doesn't actually need to be "bought" or even infiltrated by shape-shifting lizardoid Illuminati Andromedans to figure out that it's in its best interests to, well, vouch for the interests of its respective big business players. When Obama met with Erdogan, he was discussing the energy corridor on behalf of the United States. We all know who the beneficiaries of that project would be, though. You certainly won't be among them.
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Date: 31/8/13 19:09 (UTC)The expectation that what's going on in Syria is just a prelude to a much warmer and much wilder war with Iran is nothing new, either. Iran is currently like a knot that the West has been trying to "untie" for a long time, and in many ways. But the harder they try, the more it seems to tighten. The great favour the West did to Iran by removing Saddam is just one among many examples. The situation in Afghanistan is another.
On a (slight) aside, there've been some reports around the British press about China negotiating the terms of a massive arms deal with Saudi Arabia, where they'd sell the Saudis Dong-Fen 21 (CSS-5) ballistic missiles. Supposedly, Beijing has already received approval for this, and some are not ruling out the prospect of China building the launching pads and the bases for these missiles in the vicinity of Riyadh. Where the nukes for those missiles would come from? Pakistan, most likely.
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Date: 1/9/13 01:23 (UTC)Iran, Syria, and Iraq are coupled in many ways and have been since before the French.
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Date: 31/8/13 19:04 (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 1/9/13 14:51 (UTC)As for the Leviathan gas field, it's in international waters (mostly). Hence the potential claims from all adjacent countries: Cyprus, Syria, Lebanon, Gaza, Egypt. Everyone would want a piece of the pie, and the bigger players are trying to clear the table for themselves from smaller players before the gas field begins to work at full capacity.
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Date: 31/8/13 19:07 (UTC)But I think that mostly the various external factions are being governed by their own political considerations more than economic ones. I can't see the Iraqi and Turkish Kurds doing anything but supporting the Syrian Kurds, whether or not there is a pipeline involved. Similarly I can't see Hezbollah letting a possibly hostile group grow too comfortable in control of the Damascus-Lebanon transit corridors. Al-Qaeda's whole purpose is to leap into situations like this on the side of the most heavily Islamicist faction. Turkey and the Gulf States both have plentiful political reasons for opposing Al-Assad, regardless of the presence of a hypothetical pipeline (which is still a far future event), immediate political reasons that have led them to oppose Syria in the past, and I believe are more likely to be the cause of their interference. In fact in both sides I see more pressing political interests. I believe Edrogan rates getting re-elected over pipeline projects, and that can be influenced by an unstable southern border and the mass chaos it causes there (also on Turkey's internally perceived weakness). I think the House of Saud would likewise rather stay in power than have monopoly control over gas lines, and getting rid of the meddlesome Assad family is one step in that (not to mention replacing the government of a semi-hostile nation with one indebted to the Gulf States). Countries with pre-existing prejudices also seem to be following them, Russia and Iran siding with the government, and Syrian enemies like the US and the UK siding with the rebels who aren't actively at war with the West.
I do believe that a lot of countries are muddying the waters in Syria, and generally behaving irresponsibly. I also believe that you're right that a lot of countries would be very happy if, regardless of the outcome, Syria was removed as a regional player by internal strife. But I don't think economic considerations over pipeline projects are a primary motivator for foreign behavior. It seems to me that most of the external actors are proceeding to act in accordance with their pre-war instincts, and that the primary motivators of their actions seem to be long-standing geopolitical issues whether large-scale (in the case of the US and Russia), or local (in the case of the Kurds and Hezbollah). I agree, it's not about democracy, but I do think it is about geopolitics (or what passes for geopolitics these days).
(Full disclaimer: I tend to give more weight to geopolitical concerns than economic futures in international affairs, mostly because I find that the pressures of domestic politics and domestic perceptions of foreign countries explain a lot more about actions than complicated economics. This may or may not be correct in all, or even most, circumstances).
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Date: 31/8/13 19:31 (UTC)I do take issue with one point: "Ironically, removing Saddam did a great favor to the ayatollahs." "Ironically"? Irony is when the literal meaning of a term is opposite from the actual meaning. The ayatollahs (Shia) were hardly put out when Saddam (Suni) was hanged. Heck Shia did the "removing."
Also, it looks like things have changed from 2008, in that Iran is no longer being skirted.
Looks like wars have traditionally been fought for strategic development.
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Date: 31/8/13 20:17 (UTC)Now that would've been a sight to behold!
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Date: 1/9/13 05:22 (UTC)You know, there really should be more tapir macros out there
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Date: 31/8/13 21:33 (UTC)Does "highly recommended" still carry the weight it once did?
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Date: 1/9/13 01:37 (UTC)American aims seem more likely to keep Sarin shells out of the hand of Al-Qiada than to assist the Syrian people in resolving their conflicts with Assad.
If we wanted to help the Syrian people, we would have armed those factions more heavily, or just gone in with both feet ourselves.
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Date: 1/9/13 01:51 (UTC)I would like to suggest that while energy barons are vying, there has to be some validity to the fight the Syrians have been waging against their oppressive government.
These things are not mutually exclusive, and neither is hijacking their real struggle against real oppression into a useful narrative for power, sadly. We know this in the states all too well.
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Date: 1/9/13 11:37 (UTC)Yes, it is true that we are "told" that Syrian rebels are freedom fighters...among the multitude of factions in the war, some are. We are also "told" that the situation is complex, that there are numrous factions among the rebels and that foreign fighters have poured into the country and there is no actual way of knowing what the outcome would be of an Assad ouster.
It is also true that Israel and Turkey have an interest in Mediterranean gas fields, but it is also true they both have a legitimate security stake in the civil war happening on their borders. Neither had good relations with Assad but there was continuity and stability in the situation and Israeli leaders of all stripes have a near fetish like obsession with predictability. Hezbollah isn't just accused of all sorts of terrible things...their militia wing does a fairly good job of acting on it, and it hasn't been until recently threatened international action against Syria that threats made against Israel have prompted more open expressions of support for the rebels. If Israel and Turkey had really been interested in ousting Assad for their own purposes, they could have done a much better job of aiding the rebels to this point. I am simply unclear how you construct it so that Turkish and Israeli interests in gas fields ARE a reason for the Syrian crisis...something happening with players in the region at the same time as something else happening that effect those players are not necessarily reasons for that.
As for Iran, there is no doubt a lot of interests opposing Iran and maneuvering to make them less powerful, and certainly control of energy resources are part of the equation. So is religious ideology. So are the power interests of ruling families. So are the foreign policy aspirations of a number of competing powerful nations. So are corporate interests. So are NGOs. So are the actual aspirations of people living in these countries.
My problem with your discussion is that by calling things cards and saying they are being played, you are emphasizing a portrait of the Middle East of interconnectedness and interwovenness that I think implies near or actual conspiratorial thinking relying on a level of coordinated action that I don't believe is really a work. Look at Iran: lots of power players want Iran diminished. But the last 12 years of actual policy has largely served to increase Iran's stature in the region and the potential loss of Assad is the first event of the period that threatens to decrease their influence. How could such nefarious plotters and schemers make such a hash of it? I suggest that because the real situation is better described as overlapping and piled up plates than a carefully woven tapestry. Pull on one and they still shift and change like the tapestry but the results are not predictable.
History can look like a novel because after the fact, we know what didn't happen. In situ, not so much. In 1914, everyone in the know figured the Great Powers would eventually fight...I doubt very many figured that Austro-Hungary's desire to pick a fight with Serbia would send them all over the cliff in such catestrophic fashion so quickly.
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Date: 1/9/13 11:39 (UTC)That said, has anyone seen this (http://www.mintpressnews.com/witnesses-of-gas-attack-say-saudis-supplied-rebels-with-chemical-weapons/168135/) yet? The entire justification of the Assad regime's responsibility for the chemical weapon attack that took up to a thousand lives is full of holes, especially the sources of that information.
It never did make sense to me that a regime surrounded by forces who would like to see it gone (Turkey, USA, Israel, Saudi Arabia) and occupied by al-Qaeda backed rebels being sponsored by some of the aforementioned enemies (USA/Saudi), knowing that the UN is going to send inspectors, would make such a blunder as to purposely and officially release those weapons at the worst possible time for them.
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Date: 1/9/13 20:07 (UTC)the middle east is a region of conflict today because it was colonized by the british and french, the borders of the states were made up to suit their colonial masters, and the populations have been oppressed and ruled by idiots. oil just means that regional players can afford to buy weapons and fund conflict.
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Date: 2/9/13 18:33 (UTC)Ultimately, I don't think we need a theory about a lesser known energy source to explain why Saudi Arabia and members of the Arab world would be working to overthrow Syria and even to support religious extremists (that are their religion) in the area. Saudia Arabia has plenty of really big reasons to work against Syria. Religiously Syria has a lot of Sunni population but a Shia ruling party. Politically Syria is on Iran's side who is a primary opponent in regional power. Syria and Iran have always been very opposed to Saudi's alliance with the west, which has been one of the primary supports of Saudi power in the region. Throwing yet another reason on the pile isn't a big thing and I doubt it's the primary thing. It might be interesting to energy investors.
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Date: 2/9/13 20:35 (UTC)From the post:
Thus, the logic suggests the following: the Mediterranean gas/oil deposits are certainly one of the major reasons for the crisis in Syria
Geopolitics has never been a one-issue game.
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