A question prompted by the post below:

[underlankers.livejournal.com]

How is Israel in the West Bank different in any way from the Soviet policy back in the Soviet era of settling Russians in non-Russophone territory or the Chinese Sinicizations of Tibet and Uighurstan? 

It's a simple question, which will no doubt product convoluted and complex answers.
 

Comments

[root-fu.livejournal.com]

The United States is not weaponizing those in danger of losing territory, this time around? (Bah, I give up)

Anyhow, it seems to be the biggest problem with Palestinians vs Israelis is...

1.) They hate each other.
2.) They are neighbors.

The obvious and likely effective solution is the tried and true grade school method -- separate the brawling children and keep them far enough apart to avoid conflict. Anything else seems doomed to failure.

In the long run it would probably be cheaper to relocate ALL of the Palestinians to Greenland or someplace, than it will be to solve these issues with any lesser committed approach..

[underlankers.livejournal.com]

The biggest problem is both have equally good claims to the land and both are not what I'd call sweet and nice people to have as allies.

The Arabs have the dumbest political leaders of any ethnic group around. What the Hell possessed them to expel the Mizrachi to Israel? It soured the memory of the Mizrachi of their former home, strengthened Israel immensely, and gave the Israelis the excuse that they can say a legitimate population excuse happened.

[root-fu.livejournal.com]

Ah, sorry. I do not know who the Mizrachi are. All I know is people have been fighting over Jerusalem and its respective territory, forever, as far back as the Crusades and, earlier The lesser conflicts are derived from the main conflict centering around Jerusalem in a historical sense. The warring, the strife, will never end, unless some extreme measure is taken.

Ergo, to talk about it as if it were a normal border or land dispute is out of context, I think. Its not that simple. To really get a clear picture requires that someone take into account history not only back to the 1960's or the last Gaza war, I think maybe they would have to go back centuries or milennia to avoid myopia..

[root-fu.livejournal.com]

I r idjit. NVM, I give up... wonka wonk

[ddstory.livejournal.com]

A simple answer: "It's not". I hope this makes you happy and accomplished.

The icon is intended to be ironic:

[underlankers.livejournal.com]

It does.

There isn't a fart's worth of difference. I don't see how Israel's going to be called on it, either, when the decline and fall of the USSR has left millions of Russians in the former SSRs.

Re: The icon is intended to be ironic:

[redheadrat.livejournal.com]

Have you met any person forcefully relocated in Soviet Union?

[redheadrat.livejournal.com]

Israeli system does not rely on forceful expulsion of current inhabitants, while soviet system was of murder and forced relocation of people from whole regions and settling russian personnel in their place.

Mostly the settlers came from areas devastated by WWII or in form of political activists coming to work on government projects after studies or army.

[underlankers.livejournal.com]

Really? I suppose merely taking the best land is all right, then? Along with the fact that every so often the Israelis go shoot up the ones said to be on the verge of annihilating them when they're kind of busy with a little, y'know, civil war right now?

And Ha-Shoah does not justify establishing a state based on ethnic supremacy after fleeing the results of....a state based on ethnic supremacy.

[thies.livejournal.com]

Israel is neither the USSR nor China

[mahnmut.livejournal.com]

This.

[underlankers.livejournal.com]

The Palestinians might disagree, especially the Christians.

[geezer-also.livejournal.com]

Normal population expansion to adjoining areas as opposed to uprooting people and putting them in areas for the sake of conquest?

[underlankers.livejournal.com]

Normal population expansion typically doesn't involve leaving places to uproot and ethnically cleanse the locals for an ethnic supremacist ideology.

[geezer-also.livejournal.com]

Wouldn't the "simplicity" of the answer depend on whether or not one feels Israel earned the right to settle the area? Of course that could be applied to all examples. Wasn't it the Babylonians who used relocation as a method of maintaining peace? (I'm sure others did as well, I'm kinda hoping for a mini lecture here as my curiosity has been piqued :D)

[underlankers.livejournal.com]

No, actually that was Assyria, who patented the technique. It wasn't until the USSR that resettlement on a large scale applied again to Europeans, though the Tawantinsuyu was really fond of it to settle issues it had with fracticious locals.

[koneko-desu.livejournal.com]

Chinese Sinicizations of Tibet and Uighurstan

You assume that Tibet and Xinjiang are not a part of China and that the people living in those three areas have the same attitude towards their situations as the people of Israel and the West Bank.

[the-rukh.livejournal.com]

China's actually part of the U.S.

[underlankers.livejournal.com]

Culturally....they aren't.

Tibetans have an entirely different languages. Uighurs are Turkic. Very different cultures. Tibetans also have a different sect of Buddhism from what the CCP grudgingly allows. Uighurs are Moslem. And to judge by the violence in both regions on a regular basis, it sure doesn't seem like they found Maoism very civilizing (though at least in Tibet's case about the same number of people died as would have under the living god despot).

[the-rukh.livejournal.com]

There's plenty of differences, but I don't find it any more ligitimate than the former examples nor honorable. And despite what anyone says, they still are doing it.

[underlankers.livejournal.com]

None of these are legitimate, but since the other two powers are getting away with it, Israel will continue to get away with its own evils.

[kunaifusu.livejournal.com]

USSR had to send Russian speaking people to all republics because there were not enough educated people there with education only available in Russian language. Russians were not considered a supreme race but they were similar to Indian workers in US - highly educated by limited in rights. This is quite different to Israeli Jewish supremacy policy.

[underlankers.livejournal.com]

Why not give them education in their own language? It's the same thing, only Russification was replaced with Sovietization and done for Marxist reasons. Keep trying to justify this barbarism when done in a Slavic language as opposed to a Semitic one, it's actually quite funny.

[redheadrat.livejournal.com]

not really

in most places the displaced were the most educated people and education in the republics was bi-lingual

[reality-hammer.livejournal.com]

The Soviet Union wasn't attacked by Lithuania, or Estonia, or Latvia, or....

Should Poland give back it's western side to Germany and in return get the eastern side back from Belarus? What about East Prussia?