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talkpoliticshttp://reason.com/archives/2013/06/12/three-reasons-the-nothing-to-hide-crowd
http://www.cato.org/blog/why-nsa-collecting-phone-records-problem
https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110524/00084614407/privacy-is-not-secrecy-debunking-if-youve-got-nothing-to-hide-argument.shtml
http://www.computerweekly.com/blogs/the-data-trust-blog/2009/02/debunking-a-myth-if-you-have-n.html
There are a significant number of people who respond to any revelation that government is violating the law (yes, the Constitution is part of the law) with a shrug and "I've got nothing to hide". These people are selfish fools at best. They are not looking at the bigger picture and/or aren't considering other people. Plus, they probably aren't paying attention to the fact that everyone in America is currently a criminal, that everyone violates a law with serious penalties at some point, whether you know it or not. (And the fact that that is the case is another problem, but that's outside the scope of my point here.)
Even Biden and Obama railed against what they are themselves supporting now, before they were in power. That alone should be enough to make you stop and think about what having that kind of power available can do to people.
http://www.cato.org/blog/why-nsa-collecting-phone-records-problem
https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110524/00084614407/privacy-is-not-secrecy-debunking-if-youve-got-nothing-to-hide-argument.shtml
http://www.computerweekly.com/blogs/the-data-trust-blog/2009/02/debunking-a-myth-if-you-have-n.html
There are a significant number of people who respond to any revelation that government is violating the law (yes, the Constitution is part of the law) with a shrug and "I've got nothing to hide". These people are selfish fools at best. They are not looking at the bigger picture and/or aren't considering other people. Plus, they probably aren't paying attention to the fact that everyone in America is currently a criminal, that everyone violates a law with serious penalties at some point, whether you know it or not. (And the fact that that is the case is another problem, but that's outside the scope of my point here.)
Even Biden and Obama railed against what they are themselves supporting now, before they were in power. That alone should be enough to make you stop and think about what having that kind of power available can do to people.
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Date: 13/6/13 08:48 (UTC)FWIW even though not directed at me, I did blame BushCheney. Pretty much did in the present tense up until he ceased the POTUS gig.
I don't think there was a whole group of people lumped here; merely the selfish and foolish ones. The rest are lemmings.
you mods sure like to play referee a lot.
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Date: 13/6/13 10:17 (UTC)I'm not sure what you think this community is "about", but you'll have to agree if I start my sentence to you with, "So tell me, you fool, what do you think about...", I shouldn't seriously expect a sensible and well thought response from you, and you wouldn't be the one to blame for that. Just saying. If I were saying that as a mod, the OP would've already learned it.
I'm so glad for you. Hey, I'm not even going to ask you for evidence for your claim, I'd rather just take your word for it and be done with it.
Indeed.
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Date: 13/6/13 15:15 (UTC)Probably not, I'm pretty sure it's in the job description. :)
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Date: 13/6/13 15:41 (UTC)I felt you went 'modly' when you skipped the substance and focused on the 'offending ______ (phrase, comment, word, etc), a common foil in this universe.
You seem...tense...perhaps a nice massage? NSA called me to tell you that everything is going to be OK
:)
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Date: 13/6/13 15:45 (UTC)Good suggestion. I might get one. But not from you. ;-)
I see no reason for you not to, either.
Date: 13/6/13 15:49 (UTC)Remember that. With great authority comes great responsibility.
LOL no I suck at internet massage. That was a suggestion not an offer :D
You be well, kid.
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Date: 13/6/13 16:05 (UTC)That said, I'm not going to apologize for essentially telling someone that they're not fostering constructive debate by implicitly offending a whole group of people - because that's what I believe they're doing, and my conclusion stands that the purpose of that was something different from actual constructive debate. Whether you like to take that statement as "moddy" or not.
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Date: 13/6/13 18:57 (UTC)However, I question whether we have to follow rules of debate, when a conversation will do. Debates have clear winners and losers.
Not a good atmosphere for an exchange of ideas and POV's, agreed?
All's well. No harm no foul. I am ready to move on as well..
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Date: 13/6/13 19:21 (UTC)Depends. If you mean rules as in guidelines that prevent you from falling into the trap of logical fallacies (http://www.don-lindsay-archive.org/skeptic/arguments.html), I wouldn't say those should be strictly observed. It's entirely up to the debater whether they'd choose to embarrass themselves by resorting to those fallacies.
If you mean the rules as they're stipulated in the community profile, well that's another story. They're there for a reason.