This is the 21st Century. No 'army' can secede:

[underlankers.livejournal.com]

http://freeadam.net/2013/05/24/adam-kokesh-march-50-state-capitols/

So that idiot who wanted to bring around 10,000 armed people to the Capital to provide a demonstration of willingness to 'defend' rights by provoking a firefight in the event that this demonstration without a permit had gone off now revealed his true colors.He's called for an army of secessionists to menace the United States. Except that this is the 21st Century. No army can menace a government that can spy on its enemies from space. No army can succeed in such an endeavor here, and if such idiocy must be unleashed, it is only justifiable if it can win its war that it sets for itself to fight. In the 21st Century no such thing like this is possible.

The people who agitate most loudly for the Second Amendment as a license to commit treason neglect that the Constitution empowers the Feds to use all due force in the event of a domestic insurrection. Of course I expect that there'll be a lot of comments to this arguing that his call for an army of treason to march on state capitals really isn't a call for that, that never say what it really is. That's predictable. So would be the prospect that once again, like that damn fool earlier in the Obama Administration that threatened to 'do something' if Obama didn't resign and Ted Nugent, who predicted he'd be dead by now that nothing at all happens. But this is why people can be and are skeptical of the so-called Second Amendment crowd. Because the right to keep and bear firearms is no guarantee against a tyranny these days, and any pretense it is will end up with a lot of dead people and a war already lost. And it's even more interesting how the people who damn Communists, Hamas, and Hezbollah, as well as the Taliban, also turn around during these kind of discussions and argue that they should emulate the folly of the people they hold as terrorists and the antithesis of freedom and of all that is best in humanity.

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[meus-ovatio.livejournal.com]

I wish that he'd at least try for some less pedestrian and eye-rolling, boring-ass rhetoric and words. This guy is about as inspiring as a wet blanket that's been sitting in a closet for a month.

[underlankers.livejournal.com]

In the 21st Century demagogues ain't what they used to be. ;)

[geezer-also.livejournal.com]

If you "know" the outcome of the comments and how the discussion will go, I'm curious as to whether this is an exercise in writing or an exorcism of boredom?

[underlankers.livejournal.com]

It's actually an attempt to pre-empt the usual shenanigans in a (usually futile) hope for more serious discussion. It is impressive the degree to which people who proclaim loudly the benefit and necessity of the government's torture of terrorists will twist events to ensure that flagrant calls for treason are never treated as what they actually are even when they are point-blank exactly that.

[sophia-sadek.livejournal.com]

It may be an exercise in inciting boredom.

[rimpala.livejournal.com]

Well we have privatized space travel, maybe if one of these bumpkins was smart enough to build their own spy satellite...

[paft.livejournal.com]

This pretty much puts paid to that whole "But it'll be NONVIOLENT!" crap we were hearing when he first issued the call for a mob of armed men marching on DC.

"What?" a few people said, batting their eyes and blushing prettily. "Violent? Why, there's nothing VIOLENT about someone just, kinda, well... Showing you a loaded gun in the course of an argument..."

[underlankers.livejournal.com]

Perhaps. There's always someone who'll argue that there's no violence until someone's shot dead and if the shot person's black it may not even be then.

[dreadfulpenny81.livejournal.com]

I see what you did there.

[hikarugenji.livejournal.com]

He makes the usual problematic claim that the Constitution allows for armed rebellion. The Declaration of Independence can be read as condoning it -- although the right to "alter or abolish" the government doesn't necessarily mean that armed groups of rebels have the right to charge the capital without opposition. The Constitution forbids it -- the only crime identified by name in the Constitution is treason, which consists "in levying War against them." Which is basically how it has to be -- even in a country which is founded on the idea of justified rebellion, rebellion cannot be written in to the Constitution as a right without undermining the government from the beginning.

(Even if you are tempted to say that a citizen rebellion is not "War" by the Constitution, the President is still charged with "defending the Constitution", which would certainly cover people trying to overthrow the government.)

[underlankers.livejournal.com]

Even if we accept the argument from the Declaration, the Constitution justifies fully retaliation against domestic insurrection. And it would take a pretty ballsy redefinition of insurrection to make what this idiot's proposing not an insurrection.

[404.livejournal.com]

When a government has repeatedly and deliberately failed to follow its own laws, violated the fundamental human rights of its citizens, threatened the sanctity of a free press, created institutions intended to eliminate privacy of communication, waged war at the behest of special interest that threatens the public safety, killed hundreds of children with drone strikes, imprisoned and destroyed the lives of countless individuals for victimless crimes, stifled economic opportunity to maintain the dominance of the financial elite, stolen from the people through an absurd system of taxation and inflation, sold future generations into debt slavery, and abused its power to suppress political opposition, it is unfit to exist and it becomes the duty of the people to alter or abolish that government by whatever means necessary to secure liberty and ensure peace.

Sounds like something you might hear at an OWS meeting.

[underlankers.livejournal.com]

It also sounds like something you'd hear at an Ayn Rand fanboy meeting, given their peculiar definitions of public interest and debt slavery, as well as suppressing political opposition.

[paft.livejournal.com]

Got some statements from the OWS that would back your analogy up? And since when were OWS demonstrators armed with loaded guns?

[telemann.livejournal.com]

Sounds like something you might hear at an OWS meeting.

Personally, I thought a lot more like that lover of liberty and true patriot, Ron Paul.

[rimpala.livejournal.com]

rhetoric may be similar but approach is different, OWS didn't march with loaded guns in hopes the police would start a firefight with them, the Marines and Army came on their own terms to protect the protesters from harassment by the police.

The criticism is not aimed at simply being disgruntled at the government, it is aimed at the potential danger that could come from marching on our nation's capital with loaded guns, either disguising a protest as an out-and-out civil war or vise versa.

[sophia-sadek.livejournal.com]

Mention of the drone strikes especially give it an Occupy! look and feel.

[dwer.livejournal.com]

Except for the part about treasonous armed rebellion, AMIRITE?

[notmrgarrison.livejournal.com]

However:

as the American Revolutionary Army will march on each state capital to demand that the governors of these 50 states immediately initiate the process of an orderly dissolution of the federal government through secession and reclamation of federally held property. Should one whole year from this July 4th pass while the crimes of this government are allowed to continue, we may have passed the point at which non-violent revolution becomes impossible.

[sophia-sadek.livejournal.com]

He is not calling for any army to secede. He is calling for armed "grass-roots" pressure to be placed on states to secede. If what he hopes to happen actually occurred, I seriously doubt that the US military could do anything to reverse it. On the other hand, I seriously doubt that his methods will prove successful.

[rimpala.livejournal.com]

I remember when grass roots was a band from the 60's and not a buzz word...

[devil-ad-vocate.livejournal.com]

Adam Kokesh is Rand Paul's dumber brother.

[telemann.livejournal.com]

Didn't he get booed at the RNC when he held a mini protest up on the rafters? They threw him out I think.

[yes-justice.livejournal.com]

Serving in the military seeing combat in Iraq sure turned him into a radicalized patriot. Go figure.

His words:

What follows is Kokesh’s complete and unabridged statement.

“When a government has repeatedly and deliberately failed to follow its own laws, violated the fundamental human rights of its citizens, threatened the sanctity of a free press, created institutions intended to eliminate privacy of communication, waged war at the behest of special interest that threatens the public safety, killed hundreds of children with drone strikes, imprisoned and destroyed the lives of countless individuals for victimless crimes, stifled economic opportunity to maintain the dominance of the financial elite, stolen from the people through an absurd system of taxation and inflation, sold future generations into debt slavery, and abused its power to suppress political opposition, it is unfit to exist and it becomes the duty of the people to alter or abolish that government by whatever means necessary to secure liberty and ensure peace.

“A new American revolution is long overdue. This revolution has been brewing in the hearts and minds of the people for many years, but this Independence Day, it shall take a new form as the American Revolutionary Army will march on each state capital to demand that the governors of these 50 states immediately initiate the process of an orderly dissolution of the federal government through secession and reclamation of federally held property. Should one whole year from this July 4th pass while the crimes of this government are allowed to continue, we may have passed the point at which non-violent revolution becomes impossible.

“The time to sit idly by has passed. To remain neutral is to be complicit, just doing your job is not an excuse, and the line in the sand has been drawn between the people, and the criminals in Washington, D.C. While some timid souls will say that it is too early, that we can solve this problem through democratic means provided by government, that current levels of taxation are reasonable for the services provided, and that the crimes of this government are merely a tolerable nuisance, it may already be too late.

“While there is risk in drastic action, the greater danger lies in allowing this government to continue unchallenged. So if you are content with the status quo, stay home, get fat, watch the fireworks from a safe distance, and allow this Independence Day to pass like any other. But if you see as we see, and feel as we feel, we will see you on the front lines of freedom on July 4th, 2013 for this, The Final American Revolution.”

Signed, Adam Kokesh, May 23, 2013 from a cage in the Philadelphia federal prison.

Kokesh and Poe were arrested on Saturday, May 18, 2013 while speaking to a permitted marijuana legalization rally at Independence Mall National Historic Park in center city Philadelphia, in a space specifically designated for free speech. They are being framed on felony charges of assaulting a federal officer, despite overwhelming video footage to the contrary.

Adam killed people in that war. He killed them on orders of people he no longer respects. Think he wont kill those who sent him to war, or even think about it?



Adam Kokesh is a problem created by that war (http://www.soundclick.com/util/downloadSong.cfm?ID=2706103) of choice in Iraq.

[gunslnger.livejournal.com]

Why am I not surprised that you missed the point, and indeed, actively misinform.

[paft.livejournal.com]

What point is being missed, and how does this OP misinform?

[oportet.livejournal.com]

With his experience, drive, decent talking skills, and now moderate popularity - he could probably do some good if he'd just drop the batshit crazy methods of achieving it. It may be too late to reverse his reputation as a kook, but I wish he'd try.

[yes-justice.livejournal.com]

He learned that pro gun thing some where. Was in San Francisco, Santa Fe? Or more likely Camp Pendleton and then Iraq

[brother-dour.livejournal.com]

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I think the government knowing they are out there is pretty good insurance that we won't have to use them against the government.

[rimpala.livejournal.com]

Interesting, despite all their AK47 waving in the news, most Muslim countries are far behind us