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In the middle of his campaign for a 4th term, last year Hugo Chávez announced that he had defeated cancer, and had forgotten about the whole thing already. He then went on to win the election in October by 55%. But since then, his health has deteriorated drastically, and as we know, in the end of November he was transported to Cuba for treatment. He came back with a very different story from there, hinting that he could not just lose his power but also his life. In a TV address he confirmed that it was imperative that he should undergo a fourth surgery intervention because his cancer had come back.

Nowadays his true condition is practically a state secret in Venezuela, and no one really knows what type of cancer it really is, or any other details to that matter. The power circle around him are already preparing for the inevitable, and Nicolás Maduro (his foreign minister) is effectively the acting president (and is being tipped to succeed him on the presidential post). Maduro is now leading the United Socialist Party and will definitely be the front-runner on the next election, which is sure to come soon. Within 30 days after it's established that Chávez cannot perform his presidential duties, in fact. And the inauguration was supposed to happen tomorrow, but now it'll be postponed until further notice. Which tells a lot about what may be coming ahead for Venezuela.

The surgery was almost a month ago, but the speculations about his health condition still abound. He hasn't appeared in public ever since, and only scattered info trickles down to the public. Maduro himself admits that Chávez' situation is "complicated and delicate", although he did call the surgery "successful" and announced that the president is conscious and stabilised. But in some of the statements coming from various party leaders it's obvious that the situation is dire. The New Year celebrations were cancelled throughout Venezuela, and the thousands of Chávez claques kept re-tweeting things like "In 2012 I wept with Chávez, I loved Chávez, I voted Chávez, I laughed with Chávez and I prayed for Chávez. In 2013 I'll keep being alongside Chávez". Very touching indeed.

The new term is supposed to start on Jan 10, but obviously Chávez won't be available. His party are still refusing to give a clear date about possible election, while the pressure is mounting from the opposition. And there's of course a sense of hope for change in the regime, now that Chávez could be out of the game (for good?) Even if he lives, he'll hardly be in such a condition as to keep ruling. Hence the hope of the opposition that, come the next election, they'd have a real chance against Maduro. He's a former bus driver and union leader, and a close ally to the president ever since he came into Venezuelan politics. One of Maduro's key statements was "Even beyond this life, we'll still be loyal to Chávez". He lacks the charisma of his mentor, but he often likes to imitate his bombastic style and lampoon the "evil American imperialists" and the "bourgeois traitors" in hours-long speeches, the same way Chávez and Castro did. What's more, he enjoys Cuba's support. But he still remains a pale shadow of his boss.

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Despite the terminal illness of its patron, Chavismo, this specific mixture of populist nationalism plus militarist conservatism plus hardline socialism, still hasn't lost its appeal among the Venezuelans. The heavy-hand approach to ruling and the intensive social policies of Dear Leader, mostly financed by the nationalised oil industry, have earned him lots of supporters from among the marginalised poor class. But they've also brought him an aura of a merciless dictator. Even without him, the ruling party easily won a landslide victory at the local election in mid December. The opposition only managed to hold its positions in 3 states, and was crushed in 20. Miranda, the wealthiest state, kept its governor Henrique Capriles who had been Chávez' latest presidential rival (44% at the last presidential election). So he's in a pretty good position to be tipped by the opposition on the next election as well, and face Maduro.

The big question now is, could Chavismo keep dominating Venezuelan politics without Chávez. His illness is not just a threat for one person, but for an entire system that's been built around his persona. The Economist recently cited some polls that hint that Capriles, who for the first time has managed to consolidate the fractured opposition, is far more popular than any of the potential candidates of the ruling party. And still, the fact that the president has personally picked up Maduro for his successor could level the field. Especially if we take in consideration the growing sympathies for his party, because of Chávez' personal tragedy. That's why the moment is extremely important for Capriles and the opposition, and the final outcome will largely depend on the way they'll handle the situation.

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In their analyses, many experts conclude that the opposition forces will probably approach a possible second attempt at the presidency from a weaker starting position, since Capriles has previously lost this battle once. It'll be a major challenge for them to even appear as a united bloc on the coming election. So Maduro is still the front-runner in a race that hasn't even begun yet.

Chavism is probably able to survive even without Chávez, because it seems it's already deeply rooted into the very structure of the state, in all the institutions of power, particularly the military. In the short-term, the Chavist forces will certainly remain united. In a longer term, there's the example of Peronism which successfully outlived Juan Perón in Argentina. And no doubt, whether dead or alive, Chávez will keep casting his long shadow over Venezuelan politics for years to come.

And still, his absence will inevitably shake up the country, and promise a thorny transition, and a period of political instability and economic and social uncertainty. The effects on the international front will probably be a weakened leftist wave in Latin America, and a somewhat quieter voice of the "anti-imperialist bloc" that's aiming to curb the US geopolitical influence in the Western hemisphere. It's no surprise that Chávez' condition is being closely followed by countries like Cuba and Bolivia, who are hugely dependent on the constant subsidies, oil deliveries and other forms of aid from Venezuela for sustaining their fragile economies.

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But whoever the next ruler of Venezuela might be, they're up for some hard economic decisions. The government has already increased public spending to levels that are hardly sustainable. The economy, which has registered 5% growth levels last year (a process that has its downsides), will probably be slowing down in the next months, and inflation will exceed its present 18% levels. Meanwhile, Chávez and his finance experts have dismissed the expectations for devaluing the national currency, which could help cut the budget deficit (currently ~15% of the GDP). Besides, Venezuela is having serious problems with rising crime, crumbling infrastructure, rampant corruption, the dominant black market and the dysfunctional health care system.

If Maduro comes to power, his primary task will be to protect Chavismo from internal disintegration, and prevent self-destructive power struggles that could disrupt the regime. So far Chávez alone has managed to achieve all that, solely relying on his personal authority. But that'll be much harder for Maduro. He's a civilian who'll have to keep the national armed forces in check, an institution that Chávez has turned into the military wing of the ruling party. As a representative of the radical left, Maduro will be having constant frictions with the pragmatic wing, among them some of the most influential military officers and the newly forged industrial tzars who currently form the foundation of the regime.

In turn, if Capriles wins the presidency, he'll have to hold the fractured opposition in one piece, and that won't be an easy task either. It consists of over 30 parties on the right, forming the so-called Democratic Unity Roundtable. Many of them have very divergent opinions about who should be ruling and how, and such a regime would be very unstable, too.

For the time being though, all eyes are still on the sickbed in Havana. Chávez has shown time and time again that he's a survivor, so we shouldn't rule out the unlikely scenario of his return, either.

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Date: 10/1/13 11:01 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mikeyxw.livejournal.com
Actually, yes, I am serious. This is the problem with most of the articles I've seen that claim the US was behind the coup. It starts with the headline: "Documents Confirm US Plans Against Venezuela". It then has one section titled: "CONTENTION" PLAN AGAINST A "FORMIDABLE FOE". Here are some of the more meaningful quotes from that section that I could find:

"six main areas of action for the US government (USG) to limit Chavez's influence" and "reassert US leadership in the region".

"We also need to make sure that the truth about Chavez - his hollow vision, his empty promises, his dangerous international relationships, starting with Iran - gets out, always exercising careful judgment about where and how we take on Chavez directly/publicly".

Kelly recommended US officials make more visits to the region to "show the flag and explain directly to populations our view of democracy and progress".

"Brazil...can be a powerful counterpoint to Chavez's project...Chile offers another excellent alternative to Chavez..."

It is pretty well known that the US and Venezuela were fighting for regional influence, this also seemed to be a fight of Chavez's choosing, not the US. He gained quite a bit from picking fights with the US. The US certainly took efforts to counter his influence in the region, but that's no where near proof the US was involved in the coup.

The other sections are all about organizations and countries that were asking for US help against Chavez, which aren't exactly proof of US wrongdoing. It's been a decade and despite early claims of proof, I'm still not seeing much.

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Date: 10/1/13 12:14 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mahnmut.livejournal.com
Define what you mean by the "US being behind the coup", because I don't think we're having the same criteria for involvement. Sending troops? Sending financial aid? Offering expertise and advice? Using NGOs as a cover for funneling funds to the opposition? Staging a PR campaign to sway public opinion? What (http://talk-politics.livejournal.com/409250.html).

It is pretty well known that the US and Venezuela were fighting for regional influence, this also seemed to be a fight of Chavez's choosing, not the US

Yes, the US stance is pretty clear: "You're either with us, or you're against us. You choose". GWB has literally said as much. So yeah, unless Chavez chose to be "with" the US, he'd of course be against the US. It was indeed his choosing.

Ultimately, nothing is ever a proof for US wrongdoing. It's always somebody else's wrongdoing, the US comes out perfectly clean, being the paragon of freedom and democracy that it is.

Your stance is that of a true patriot. Kudos!
Edited Date: 10/1/13 12:15 (UTC)

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Date: 10/1/13 12:48 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mikeyxw.livejournal.com
Earlier you said "they'll sponsor another coup attempt like the last time", so I guess we have very different criteria about what it means to sponsor a coup. My criteria would include some evidence that the US was actually taking part in the coup, something more than AID paying for the elections in a union who, after the coup, supported the winners.

There is pretty clear evidence about US involvement in several coups and attempted coups. Bay of Pigs, The Shah's "coup", Guatemala, all pretty clear. Involvement in Venezuela's coup, the only thing that really stands out is that the folks involved took a trip to DC and met with some folks.

I'm not taking this stance out of patriotism, ignoring the US involvement in a coup is not patriotic. I'm taking this stance because the claims that the US sponsored the coup seem more like a conspiracy theory than reality.

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Date: 10/1/13 12:54 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mahnmut.livejournal.com
But how do you know which last time I was referring to? ;-)

Like I said, knee-jerk patriotism in general has to be duly rewarded at some point, I'm sure of that.

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Date: 10/1/13 13:12 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] htpcl.livejournal.com
Oh, I'm sure the coup perpetrators did the attempt on their own.

On the other hand, no one in their right mind would even imagine attempting a coup against a mighty political, police, military and PR machine that's obviously having popular support by at least half the populace - just like that, relying on their courage, and without prior assurances from a superpower like the US that they'd be supported by said superpower if said coup attempt succeeds. Right?

And by "assurances" I don't just mean "sure guys, knock the dictator down and we'll support you"; I also mean statements from US officials giving out hints whose side the US "would" "potentially" be, if the US-favorable scenario plays out. I trust you do know how diplomacy works?

Also I don't think anyone in their right mind would expect that the broad public would have unlimited and instantaneous access to the full minutes of those talks between the US and the coup perpetrators.

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Date: 10/1/13 13:28 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mikeyxw.livejournal.com
Normally I would agree with your last point, but a huge amount of material was released by Wikileaks and it doesn't look like anything was found that shows involvement or assurances. In fact, there were some documents which made it clear that the US would not support a coup after it happened... even though we kinda did.

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Date: 10/1/13 14:13 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] htpcl.livejournal.com
What about the rest of the points, or you just chose the one you disagree with because you agree with the rest? ;-)

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Date: 10/1/13 14:38 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mikeyxw.livejournal.com
First point, agreed.

Second point, not so sure. They were successful in overthrowing Chavez after all and had some pretty powerful domestic support, this doesn't seem to be where they fell short. I expect a coup is always a calculated risk and they were pretty close to being correct. I'm not sure what you mean by the rest of this. Of course the US would be happy if a US-favorable scenario plays out. I expect Bulgaria would be happy when a Bulgaria-favorable scenario plays out... hypothetically, you know if one ever did. One of the leaked documents even says the CIA expected that the repeated US statements that a power change needed to be made by constitutional means likely worried the plotters.

The US' behavior after the coup was reprehensible, but this just seems consistent with Bush being kinda dumb when it comes to foreign affairs. The US didn't seem to do anything to strengthen the coup, they were initially successful but fell apart after a couple of days. You'd hope for better execution by the CIA, this wasn't exactly their first rodeo. I certainly know I'm dipping into speculation, so I'll stop before I start linking to commondreams and wikistuff.

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Date: 10/1/13 14:59 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] htpcl.livejournal.com
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