[identity profile] badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com posting in [community profile] talkpolitics


If I were to be honest right this moment about what I think is going on with the election, the map above would be it. If you asked me 5 days ago, I'd have been fairly intent that Romney had Ohio sewn up, that Wisconsin was highly likely, that Virginia was locked up. With Hurricane Sandy giving Obama a boost at the end here, we're forced to go with what the data has, and I'm not sure Romney has the path to victory he had a week ago anymore, nor do I have any clue what to make of the states in beige. My gut says Obama takes 3 of 4 of them, if not all 4, even though I still can't make the math work on how some of the poll toplines mesh with the trends in early voting, independent voter preferences and party identification. Regardless, what should have been a cakewalk for Romney has clearly not been.

So what went wrong?


* Romney failed to capitalize: He wasn't "Mr Nice Guy" the way McCain was, for sure, but the reality of the failed presidency of Barack Obama never really made clear from Romney in a way that resonated with the voters he needed. His massive, massive whiff at the town hall debate regarding Benghazi is really unforgivable and likely lost him that debate outright. That they continued to fail to hammer home this massive foreign policy failure (or much of any of Obama's multiple failures in this regard) is a key reason why this stayed close. Part of this was due to...

* Romney's mismanagement of resources: Romney has had a cash on hand advantage for two months now. You'd never know it. Dumping money into ads is one thing, but ads and rallies and lawn signs don't move votes. The "Death Star" approach worked in the primary because no one had any direct money to fight back with, and the campaign's assumption that a flood of advertising and cash in the final weeks would work here clearly did not. Granted, much of the message was blunted by the hurricane, and you can't control that, but when you have 8 weeks of a financial edge, 4 weeks of the wind at your back after the first debate?

* The media: Let's face it - the media largely gave Obama a pass on Benghazi, held Obama to a standard for the bad economy that they haven't historically held others to, and so on and so forth. Meanwhile, Romney's record was distorted, his message thrown into disarray, etc. The media is what the media is, and we can't really change that, but Romney's inability to counter that is on him and his campaign. It would be bad form for Romney to push the Hurricane as well, but given how NYC is faring, given the gas riots and such, we'd expect...different coverage. But hey, Governor Christie is appreciative, so we'll run with it, right?


So can Romney still pull this out? If he does, it will be because the polls are wrong, plain and simple. I've held from the beginning that the data needs to be in the forefront, and the polls, at the end of the day, have not held constant with what one would expect from Obama's presidency. We can complain all day about the sampling of the polls, the likely voter screens, etc, but the data is what the data is, and if the polls are wrong, this will be why:

* Sampling: The likely voter screens have been looser than ever this year, some showing upwards of 80%. The polls have often - but not universally anymore - shown higher-than-expected Democratic samples, but when the better-sampled polls aren't doing much better for Romney, it becomes clear that it's more statistical noise than anything else. That Gallup's shown the most realistic likely voter screen and also the most favorable national poll to Romney isn't a surprise, but Gallup hasn't polled in a week and Sandy is impacting trendlines.

* Ground game: My assumption, at this point in time, is that Romney's ground game advantage in many of these key states will not be enough to overcome 3 point deficits in the polls. If a poll is a tossup, if the state is within 1 in either direction, turnout advantages begin to matter. I don't think Romney is going to lose Iowa by three points, but I don't think he can win it by a hair or two, either.

* Math: It's funny to say this, but this is ultimately Romney's only saving grace at this point - that the prognosticators, even Nate Silver at one time, note that winning campaigns don't lose independents at the rate that Obama is losing them. There's also the early voting issue, which is something pollsters have shown themselves to be quite questionable at while Romney has shown significant gains relative to 2008. Combine these two issues with turnout statistics thus far and...


Overall, I don't really think Romney's going to win at this point. He can, it's possible, but he blew the biggest gift given to a candidate in 30 years on his road to get to this point. Hopefully Republicans learn from this if Obama is coming out as the victor in 30 or so hours, but we'll see where that goes.
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Date: 5/11/12 23:48 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kylinrouge.livejournal.com
People don't like being lead along when victim of a terrorist attack.

What are you talking about?

It's not much of a recovery, if we even want to call it that.

Irrelevant to my point. People generally give incumbents another four years to continue fixing things.

A more conservative candidate would have ended up not needing a momentum game changer like the Denver debate, and wouldn't have had to spend time playing catch up.

Denver wasn't a game-changer, it was a game-starter. I bet a shitload of people didn't even know who Romney and Obama were until that debate. Our populace is ignorant. And Mitt (at least post-Denver Mitt, not Governor Mitt) was plenty conservative, in fact I'm not sure how more conservative he could get. It's easy to rationalize why he lost if you just apply some No True Scotsman fallacy to him.

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Date: 5/11/12 23:52 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kylinrouge.livejournal.com
I assume you're aware of what went on in Bengahzi, when a terrorist attack occurred and killed four embassy workers including an ambassador?

Yes, but I'm not sure why they keep harping on about it.

A lot of us were waiting for him to get pretty conservative. His tax plan was an okay start, I guess, but...

Okay...

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Date: 5/11/12 23:59 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kylinrouge.livejournal.com
With such great discussion skills on the right, it's no surprise we get four more years of Obama.

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Date: 6/11/12 00:10 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fizzyland.livejournal.com
A more conservative candidate...

Just stop there. Most Americans are moderate, putting the failure right on top of the party that selected him as their candidate and the unconvincing rhetoic that followed.

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Date: 6/11/12 00:15 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] squidb0i.livejournal.com
http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/

86% of an Obama victory.

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2012/11/02/us/politics/paths-to-the-white-house.html

All Obama has to do is take Ohio and one other state.

No sweat.

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Date: 6/11/12 00:17 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] squidb0i.livejournal.com
Oh, are you still pushing that Benghazi lie?
How sweet.

http://security.blogs.cnn.com/2012/11/01/inte...

http://factcheck.org/2012/10/benghazi-timeline/

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/erik-wemple/post/benghazi-timeline-challenges-fox-news-story/2012/11/02/07e6ab0e-2487-11e2-ac85-e669876c6a24_blog.html

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Date: 6/11/12 00:17 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sandwichwarrior.livejournal.com
And dear lord, what is with the right wing and Benghazi?

...if you really have to ask, then there's nothing I can say to you that will make it any clearer than it already is.

We are of different worlds.

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Date: 6/11/12 00:18 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] squidb0i.livejournal.com
Clearly you AREN'T aware of what went on in Benghazi.
http://security.blogs.cnn.com/2012/11/01/inte...

http://factcheck.org/2012/10/benghazi-timeline/

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/erik-wemple/post/benghazi-timeline-challenges-fox-news-story/2012/11/02/07e6ab0e-2487-11e2-ac85-e669876c6a24_blog.html

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Date: 6/11/12 00:21 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] underlankers.livejournal.com
So when Clinton gives Bush warning of a terrorist attack and Bush fails to stop it and 3,000 people died, as opposed to a few in an embassy, by this logic Bush should have been impeached for his failure to stop 9/11 and his further bungling the response to it.

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Date: 6/11/12 00:22 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] underlankers.livejournal.com
Again, Clinton warned Bush about 9/11, Bush didn't stop it, 3,000 people died. So by contemporary GOP logic Bush and company should have been crucified upside down along Pennsylvania Avenue for betraying US national security.

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Date: 6/11/12 00:24 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] underlankers.livejournal.com
Would that be Governor Romney or candidate Romney, and would President Romney be the Governor or the Candidate? That's why I could never fathom voting for Romney lest I vote for Henry Jekyll and get Edward Hyde.

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Date: 6/11/12 00:27 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ytterbius.livejournal.com
Ohio has been consistently Obama for months. It may have been a small percentage, but the lean has been clear.

Of course, that's just what polls say, so as you say, they could be wrong... consistently for a long time in one direction.

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Date: 6/11/12 00:28 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] underlankers.livejournal.com
Funny, when Bush was warned about 9/11, bungled chances to stop it, an 3,000 people died I don't remember this reaction from the GOP then, or from the Dems. It seems that unpatriotic faux Americanism is the order of the day for the GOP whenever it can throw shit at the wall and see how much of it will stick. Whatever happened to the days of "Either you're with us or you're with the terrorists?". Oh, right, that only works when a white ChristianTM is in power.

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Date: 6/11/12 00:30 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] chron-job.livejournal.com
Compare the media response to Bengahzi to other attacks on Embassies and Consulates that have killed similar numbers of people over the last 20 years. Try to do so in objective terms, as in how long the event dominated the news cycle, and what political repercussions it had.

Being too outraged to discuss it, well, as Lincoln said, "That speech won't scour,"
Edited Date: 6/11/12 00:31 (UTC)

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Date: 6/11/12 00:33 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] chron-job.livejournal.com
> Let's face it - the media largely gave Obama a pass on Benghazi, held Obama to a standard for the bad economy that they haven't historically held others to, and so on and so forth. Meanwhile, Romney's
> record was distorted, his message thrown into disarray, etc.

I'm amazed that the Media's ability to mold public opinion is so powerful, while political advertising is largely irrelevant.

(no subject)

Date: 6/11/12 00:34 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] underlankers.livejournal.com
Especially say, Beirut. What a filthy coward that Ronald Reagan was. I suppose it's not so easy to make a hard decision when it's real people as opposed to lines from a script and using props and special effects.

/sarcasm tag for the irony-impaired.

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Date: 6/11/12 00:39 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] underlankers.livejournal.com
So when conservatives run with their tails between their legs and their pants all wet like say, after the Beirut Incident, or from the first time the USA tried intervening in Lebanon, that's supposed to just get a pass, is it? I suppose it's only filthy treason when Democrats do it, when Republicans act like little cowards in response to terrorism, that's American values, just like pushing helicopters into the sea from inability to make any decisions at all and blaming the treacherous American people for their own incompetence?

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Date: 6/11/12 00:43 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ytterbius.livejournal.com
The fact that Romney developed the image early on, of a elitist that lies constantly, and also makes entirely different statements to different audiences are very good reasons why he's losing. If any thing, the media have been doing him a favor by not simply ALL pounding him for is inconsistancies and lies.

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Date: 6/11/12 00:55 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ytterbius.livejournal.com
So, I'm curious why, if it's at all close, then why is there so little republican representation on LJ. There used to be huge debates involving many many folks from both parties on here, but now it seems like you are one of the very few. Offhand, I'd guess republicans are at best 30% of the posters these days.

I may be totally off on this, but it seems to be something that I've observed (though I've not been very active (subtract one from the posters on the left).

Is LJ totally left (it didn't used to be)? Or maybe Republicans have holed up in those places where nobody gets to argue the other side?
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