[identity profile] badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com posting in [community profile] talkpolitics


If I were to be honest right this moment about what I think is going on with the election, the map above would be it. If you asked me 5 days ago, I'd have been fairly intent that Romney had Ohio sewn up, that Wisconsin was highly likely, that Virginia was locked up. With Hurricane Sandy giving Obama a boost at the end here, we're forced to go with what the data has, and I'm not sure Romney has the path to victory he had a week ago anymore, nor do I have any clue what to make of the states in beige. My gut says Obama takes 3 of 4 of them, if not all 4, even though I still can't make the math work on how some of the poll toplines mesh with the trends in early voting, independent voter preferences and party identification. Regardless, what should have been a cakewalk for Romney has clearly not been.

So what went wrong?


* Romney failed to capitalize: He wasn't "Mr Nice Guy" the way McCain was, for sure, but the reality of the failed presidency of Barack Obama never really made clear from Romney in a way that resonated with the voters he needed. His massive, massive whiff at the town hall debate regarding Benghazi is really unforgivable and likely lost him that debate outright. That they continued to fail to hammer home this massive foreign policy failure (or much of any of Obama's multiple failures in this regard) is a key reason why this stayed close. Part of this was due to...

* Romney's mismanagement of resources: Romney has had a cash on hand advantage for two months now. You'd never know it. Dumping money into ads is one thing, but ads and rallies and lawn signs don't move votes. The "Death Star" approach worked in the primary because no one had any direct money to fight back with, and the campaign's assumption that a flood of advertising and cash in the final weeks would work here clearly did not. Granted, much of the message was blunted by the hurricane, and you can't control that, but when you have 8 weeks of a financial edge, 4 weeks of the wind at your back after the first debate?

* The media: Let's face it - the media largely gave Obama a pass on Benghazi, held Obama to a standard for the bad economy that they haven't historically held others to, and so on and so forth. Meanwhile, Romney's record was distorted, his message thrown into disarray, etc. The media is what the media is, and we can't really change that, but Romney's inability to counter that is on him and his campaign. It would be bad form for Romney to push the Hurricane as well, but given how NYC is faring, given the gas riots and such, we'd expect...different coverage. But hey, Governor Christie is appreciative, so we'll run with it, right?


So can Romney still pull this out? If he does, it will be because the polls are wrong, plain and simple. I've held from the beginning that the data needs to be in the forefront, and the polls, at the end of the day, have not held constant with what one would expect from Obama's presidency. We can complain all day about the sampling of the polls, the likely voter screens, etc, but the data is what the data is, and if the polls are wrong, this will be why:

* Sampling: The likely voter screens have been looser than ever this year, some showing upwards of 80%. The polls have often - but not universally anymore - shown higher-than-expected Democratic samples, but when the better-sampled polls aren't doing much better for Romney, it becomes clear that it's more statistical noise than anything else. That Gallup's shown the most realistic likely voter screen and also the most favorable national poll to Romney isn't a surprise, but Gallup hasn't polled in a week and Sandy is impacting trendlines.

* Ground game: My assumption, at this point in time, is that Romney's ground game advantage in many of these key states will not be enough to overcome 3 point deficits in the polls. If a poll is a tossup, if the state is within 1 in either direction, turnout advantages begin to matter. I don't think Romney is going to lose Iowa by three points, but I don't think he can win it by a hair or two, either.

* Math: It's funny to say this, but this is ultimately Romney's only saving grace at this point - that the prognosticators, even Nate Silver at one time, note that winning campaigns don't lose independents at the rate that Obama is losing them. There's also the early voting issue, which is something pollsters have shown themselves to be quite questionable at while Romney has shown significant gains relative to 2008. Combine these two issues with turnout statistics thus far and...


Overall, I don't really think Romney's going to win at this point. He can, it's possible, but he blew the biggest gift given to a candidate in 30 years on his road to get to this point. Hopefully Republicans learn from this if Obama is coming out as the victor in 30 or so hours, but we'll see where that goes.

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Date: 5/11/12 22:52 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] underlankers.livejournal.com
Out of curiosity, aside from the unemployment rate, what if anything suggested that this would be one-sided in favor of Mitt Romney?

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Date: 5/11/12 22:57 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] the-rukh.livejournal.com
* Romney was a terrible candidate out of touch with most of america. He had the unfortunate task of appealing to an increasingly hyperbolic right who has taken over the Republican party and then having to switch gears to appeal to the rest of the US which made him come of as extremely double-faced.

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From: [identity profile] gunslnger.livejournal.com
According to the media anyways.

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I don't know why you never use cuts until being prompted.

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Date: 5/11/12 23:17 (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] weswilson
Show me on the graph where the opinion "Romney will win Ohio" was formed.

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Date: 5/11/12 23:23 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yes-justice.livejournal.com
Freaking work beckons.

Leaving this here:

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2012/11/02/us/politics/paths-to-the-white-house.html

Edited Date: 5/11/12 23:26 (UTC)

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Date: 5/11/12 23:25 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] oportet.livejournal.com
Maybe Republicans can learn a lesson from this, the same lesson they should have learned in the 2008 election, the same lesson Democrats apparently learned after 2000 and 2004 - personality is more important than policies. Even if you disagree and put policies first - if the policies are nearly identical, personality comes in for the tiebreaker.

No matter what happens, I think Romney overachieved - and if anyone besides him made it out of the Republican Primary, Obama would be declared the winner before I fell asleep tomorrow night.

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Date: 5/11/12 23:27 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fizzyland.livejournal.com
You know it's going down the tubes when the candidate starts talking about himself in the 3rd person, Bob Dole style.
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Also, it's very unfair of you to pre-load a concession - my macro offensive won't be ready until mid-day tomorrow but it's not too late for you to accept my icon-based wager!

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Date: 5/11/12 23:38 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kylinrouge.livejournal.com
It was always Obama's race to lose, not Romney's.

At no point did battleground state polling ever give Romney the win in a 'no toss-up' situation.

And dear lord, what is with the right wing and Benghazi?

It's strange how you tout the math, when you ignore the historical data that favor incumbents in a recovering economy.

And it's unfortunate that once again it seems that Republicans will once again go, "he wasn't conservative enough!" as a response to this instead of joining the majority of the nation on progressive issues. Or maybe it's fortunate since if the economy recovers enough by 2016 and they pull this same shit again it'll give us another 8 years of a Democrat President.
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Date: 6/11/12 00:15 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] squidb0i.livejournal.com
http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/

86% of an Obama victory.

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2012/11/02/us/politics/paths-to-the-white-house.html

All Obama has to do is take Ohio and one other state.

No sweat.

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Date: 6/11/12 03:06 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] the-rukh.livejournal.com
Nate is currently putting Florida slightly towards Obama. Kind of strange.

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Date: 6/11/12 00:33 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] chron-job.livejournal.com
> Let's face it - the media largely gave Obama a pass on Benghazi, held Obama to a standard for the bad economy that they haven't historically held others to, and so on and so forth. Meanwhile, Romney's
> record was distorted, his message thrown into disarray, etc.

I'm amazed that the Media's ability to mold public opinion is so powerful, while political advertising is largely irrelevant.

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Date: 6/11/12 08:32 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gunslnger.livejournal.com
You shouldn't be amazed. People still foolishly think "journalists" try to tell the truth, but they are aware that ads will lie to them.

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Date: 6/11/12 00:43 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ytterbius.livejournal.com
The fact that Romney developed the image early on, of a elitist that lies constantly, and also makes entirely different statements to different audiences are very good reasons why he's losing. If any thing, the media have been doing him a favor by not simply ALL pounding him for is inconsistancies and lies.

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Date: 6/11/12 00:55 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ytterbius.livejournal.com
So, I'm curious why, if it's at all close, then why is there so little republican representation on LJ. There used to be huge debates involving many many folks from both parties on here, but now it seems like you are one of the very few. Offhand, I'd guess republicans are at best 30% of the posters these days.

I may be totally off on this, but it seems to be something that I've observed (though I've not been very active (subtract one from the posters on the left).

Is LJ totally left (it didn't used to be)? Or maybe Republicans have holed up in those places where nobody gets to argue the other side?

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Date: 6/11/12 01:01 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fizzyland.livejournal.com
I think they've mostly migrated to facebook and twitter - better places to hold one-sided conversations.

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Date: 6/11/12 01:54 (UTC)
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The Obama campaign's "ground force" has been badly underestimated by the Republicans. I've seen countless comments online about how "the Democrats aren't enthusiastic". That's ridiculous. They started planning their 2012 campaign in 2008 - studying everything they had done for that first campaign, stuff that went right and stuff that went wrong. TV ads don't win elections anymore, and campaign organizers know it. The "undecided" 6% of voters don't get someone elected; how much faith would you place in people who voted for Obama in 2008 and then help elect Republicans in 2010? They are undependable; you have to count on your core of supporters, and that's what the Democrats have done. It may not work well enough to get him the WH for four more years, but it was the best approach.

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Date: 6/11/12 03:29 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] telemann.livejournal.com
Mitt Romney will be the first candidate in history whose concession speech is tax deductible.

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Think that one up all by yourself?

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Date: 6/11/12 03:48 (UTC)
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You forgot the part about Romney being a blatant liar.

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Which makes him different from any other politician in history how?

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Date: 6/11/12 08:23 (UTC)
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And once the hurricane hit, CNN seemed to stop almost all political coverage and went with talking about babies and old people. It was weird, man.

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So weird seeing others care about others, am I right?

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Date: 6/11/12 15:05 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kinvore.livejournal.com
The media didn't "give a pass" on Benghazi. They just wouldn't trump up a non-issue just because conservatives wanted them to. The fact is that our embassies have been attacked many times throughout the years (several times during the Bush administration) but NOW it's suddenly an issue? That's nothing but shameless (and shameful) political opportunism. Don't be mad that everyone saw through it.

I've been saying for years that this election would be about the economy. It may not be as healthy as we'd like but the fact is that for months the numbers having been moving in the right direction. Add to that Mitt's reputation as someone willing to send jobs to China if it helps the bottom line and it's no surprise that he's doing as badly as he has so far.

But the day isn't over, and from what i hear Republicans are doing everything they can to keep minorities from voting in Ohio and Florida so you never know.

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Date: 6/11/12 15:48 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yes-justice.livejournal.com
the media largely gave Obama a pass on Benghazi

Right wing trutherism.

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Date: 6/11/12 17:40 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] telemann.livejournal.com
I'm sure Daryl Issa will have a new investigation launched into something after tonight. He's very needy, regarding camera time.

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Date: 6/11/12 20:20 (UTC)
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Can't stop staring at the map. I'm just such a maniac. Sorry, you were saying?

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Date: 7/11/12 04:34 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] underlankers.livejournal.com
And the answer, Jeff, is yes, he did reach the top of the Hill. Congrats, dude.

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Date: 7/11/12 16:35 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dwer.livejournal.com
So now we know the real difference between what you were doing and what Nate Silver was doing.

Nate Silver was being right.

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Date: 8/11/12 19:52 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yes-justice.livejournal.com
If I were to be honest

Why would you not be honest? (I think you mean candid)

His massive, massive whiff at the town hall debate regarding Benghazi is really unforgivable and likely lost him that debate outright.

I disagree. Romney should have taken the high road and sided with America, Americans, and the POTUS. Period. Benghazi isn't a scandal and those who try to make it one just make themselves look vindictive. More energy has been spent by the right denouncing Obama than was spent denouncing the terrorists who committed the atrocity. That made the right look ugly and vindictive.


Granted, much of the message was blunted by the hurricane

That stuff about shutting FEMA down didn't help.



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