[identity profile] paft.livejournal.com posting in [community profile] talkpolitics
I suppose it’s appropriate that we get this truly scary, fanged, and drooling glimpse of the face of modern capitalism on October 31st. CNBC Senior Editor John Carney has decided to weigh in on the subject of price gouging during a disaster.

What’s striking is the bland cluelessness, a level of naivete that, feigned or not, borders on the murderous. After pointing out that, once a few of these layabouts experience having to pay, say, $100 for a case of bottled water, they’ll have received a salutary lesson in being prepared for disaster, Carney observes:

One objection is that a system of free-floating, legal gouging would allow the wealthy to buy everything and leave the poor out altogether. But this concern is overrated. For the most part, price hikes during disasters do not actually put necessary goods and services out of reach of even the poorest people. They just put the budgets of the poor under additional strain.


Right. The poor never have to do without “necessary goods and services” in normal times, so they certainly won’t have to do without them during disasters like floods and hurricanes! For the most part, anyway. And if a few poor people are unlucky enough not to be part of that “most,” seeing a few bodies of neighbors who’ve died from hypothermia or thirst will teach the rest of those lazy beggars a lesson about the dangers of overconsumption!

Carney apparently believes the plight of many people during a disaster is about dickering over prices rather than access to resources that could save lives. “This is a problem better resolved,” he declares, “through transfer payments to alleviate the household budgetary effects of the prices after the fact, rather than trying to control the price in the first place.”

Of course, this is only going to help those people who managed to survive in a "marketplace" where the prices of goods are jacked up to the point where they end up having to choose what live-saving goods to purchase. Potable water? Uncontaminated food? Dry warm blankets? Hey, if you can't afford all of them that's just now how the marketplace works, buddy, and if you or a member of your family ends up not making it because you chose wrong, those are the Randian breaks.

Surely the transfer payment you get later will compensate for having to watch them die.

But wait! There's more! Carney has followed this post up with another mentioning merchants giving away perishable goods, in which he asks:



Clearly, people could pay market prices for the perishing goods. Does the fact that they aren't mean consumers are gouging merchants? Should this be illegal?


Is this man from another planet?

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Date: 1/11/12 18:56 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] underlankers.livejournal.com
Nope, that's quoting Jesus on hypocrisy where the Pharisees were concerned. It's a phrase I rather enjoy using.

Edited for a Freudian slip of the ages.
Edited Date: 1/11/12 18:56 (UTC)

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Date: 1/11/12 20:07 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kayjayuu.livejournal.com
Okay, so I'm being hypocritical, or I'm a Pharisee?

Care to point out my gnats and camels? I'd like to know.

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Date: 1/11/12 21:38 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] underlankers.livejournal.com
Straining out a gnat is noting that Paft's post is mean. Swallowing a camel is accepting without question all the premises stated elsewhere that objecting to people extorting profit from other people is equivalent to sending someone to the Gulag to be worked to death.

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Date: 1/11/12 22:18 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kayjayuu.livejournal.com
If that's how you see my contributions, then I apologize for being unclear.

Hyperbole = mean? Hardly.

Saying those who question a completely governmental solution to catastrophes want to see people die is overstatement at the very least.
Surely the transfer payment you get later will compensate for having to watch them die.


I also saw a lot of hyperbole in responses here. *shrugs* So that was my point and I was unclear -- those who criticize hyperbole by those with whom they disagree gloss over and participate in hyperbole when it suits them. *again, shrug*

Lots of camel-swallowing going on here, apparently.

For the record, I'm against price gouging. But nobody bothered to ask me.

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Date: 2/11/12 14:27 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] underlankers.livejournal.com
Well, I'm against it myself, but I don't see it as economics, just as keeping criminals from fleecing others without restraint. I see saying it's not a crime as akin to calling a con man a capitalist.

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