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With less than a week remaining until the voting stations are opened, and America picks up [Poll #1875846]

Touch, pause, engage!

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Date: 31/10/12 18:32 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] a-new-machine.livejournal.com
Man, I thought I was undecided/independent, but after reviewing all the local races, I think I should just register as a Democrat and call it a day. I just do not understand the modern Republican party.

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Date: 31/10/12 19:52 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nairiporter.livejournal.com
Why, what is going on over there?

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Date: 31/10/12 19:58 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] a-new-machine.livejournal.com
Priorities are screwed up, nobody understands investment. Basically the Republicans in my state want to drastically cut spending on everything, despite my state's terrible infrastructure. We're living on things that our grandparents build in the '50s and hoping they keep up for another decade. There's also the "tax pledge" that promises not to institute a sales or income tax. Not that they won't raise taxes - just that they'll avoid broad-based taxes that are more resilient to economic swings. Instead, we have a state-wide property tax, high business taxes (which defeats the claim that our tax structure is better for business), and high hospitality taxes, despite hospitality being a big service in the state, and heavy competition from surrounding states (we basically remove our hospitality advantage by having that tax instead of a general sales tax).

Then the priorities on what we spend on are all messed up, they want to privatize functions that by rights should be public (prisons, roads/traffic enforcement, etc.), and they desperately want more government involvement in areas like reproductive rights and the like. We finally have a working school funding system after decades of legal battles, and they want an amendment to tear it down. It's just a huge mess. I don't even agree wholeheartedly with Democrats, I just can't see myself voting for any other party when the other party is so blatantly irresponsible.
Edited Date: 31/10/12 19:59 (UTC)

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Date: 31/10/12 20:02 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nairiporter.livejournal.com
This all sounds so terribly messed up. Three questions. Which state is that? Why do you think they are doing all this? And has the situation passed a point beyond which there is no repair?

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Date: 31/10/12 20:17 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] a-new-machine.livejournal.com
1.) New Hampshire

2.) It's just the local culture. We're a very libertarian state, overall, and we've had an influx of libertarian individuals and ideology over the past decade or so since the Free State Project (http://freestateproject.org/) decided to shine a beacon to both legitimate libertarians and crazy tax-dodging conspiracy theorists and invite them to invade our too-permeable democratic structures. NH, a state of some 1.8 million people, has the third biggest legislature in the English-speaking world, behind the US Congress and the Indian parliament.

That makes it simultaneously the most and least representative state in the world. Most, because each representative has a very small constituency, and thus each constituent has a greater proportionate share of that representative's time and energy; lease, because each representative is basically powerless. A friend's mom was elected to our legislature, swapped her party affiliation to "Christian," and started campaigning for prayer in schools, banning abortion, and amending the Constitution to bar gay marriage. The thing is, basically no one noticed. We're the same state that introduced the infamous Magna Carta bill (http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2012/01/04/397520/new-hampshire-gop-bill-mandates-that-laws-find-their-origin-in-1215-english-magna-carta/), because this sort of shit is just what happens when you only need to convince 500 people to put your name down.

3.) Probably not. More and more people are coming around to an anti-Pledge stance, and starting to see the point of better investment (note that local purists blame this on infiltration by our liberal southern neighbor, Massachusetts). Maggie Hassan, the current Democratic candidate for governor, was once an anti-Pledge Senate Majority Leader -- though she's converted to Pledge orthodoxy for this race. I had a whole post in the works about this, and how the Pledge distorts our local Overton window. I should finish it and post it.

Anyway. Not irredeemable, but definitely difficult. People are short-sighted, and Republicans are promising lower taxes (with no clear means of paying for them). Democrats are not, because Democrats realize that if we're going to be a state full of old people (which is looking more and more likely, as the young leave the state in droves) then we need better infrastructure, good health care, etc. If we're going to keep young families here, we need to invest in schools and bring decent jobs - which means bringing good businesses here, which means investment in our broadband infrastructure, getting the North Country on its feet so that it's not dragging the rest of the state down budget-wise, getting good schools for those young families' children to attend, and generally expanding services.

At this point, though, none of that is likely to happen. I'm wagering we'll go red this time around, and the coattails will carry the Republicans to a greater majority in the House. They want to do austerity, basically, when we've put off some key investments for way too long to begin with. It's just going to shift the costs to towns, who will never pass tax increases because of our heavily decentralized "town meeting" style of governance.

It's... a mess.
Edited Date: 31/10/12 20:19 (UTC)

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Date: 31/10/12 21:23 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com
For what it's worth, a_new_machine's problems with New Hampshire are effectively what drew me to the state, and I miss it terribly.

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Date: 31/10/12 20:36 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] peristaltor.livejournal.com
Yeah, very few appreciate the underhanded evil that is Grover Nordquist.

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Date: 31/10/12 20:37 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] a-new-machine.livejournal.com
Oh, our Tax Pledge is different. You can raise taxes, just don't institute a broad-based tax like an income or sales tax. NH has a very unique culture when it comes to this stuff.

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Date: 31/10/12 21:22 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com
You're actually getting to vote as to whether to enshrine the "no income tax" into the Constitution, right?

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Date: 31/10/12 21:26 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] a-new-machine.livejournal.com
Yeah, Resolution 13. It's pretty silly.

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Date: 31/10/12 18:33 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] luzribeiro.livejournal.com
We wimminz were recently told around here that we should be voting with our woman parts, so, in order to comply with that instruction, I'm just gonna say this:

HE SHOULD LOOK SEXY, IS ALL I'M SAYIN'!

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Date: 31/10/12 18:48 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dexeron.livejournal.com
WHICH President brought us not just one Hobbit movie, but the promise of three?

Just sayin'.

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Date: 31/10/12 18:52 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dwer.livejournal.com
Which President would you trust to take us on an Unexpected Journey? Which President would be more likely to extend disaster services to the town of Dale after it was burned by the dragon Smaug? And once Dale was rebuilt, which President would you trust to pull the trigger on Smaug the way he pulled the trigger on Osama Bin Laden?

The answer is clear.

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Date: 31/10/12 19:01 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mahnmut.livejournal.com
Turning cities to cinder is sooo Third Epoch...
Turning cities to marshes is the new deal in the 21st century.

(Stay safe, you guys)...

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Date: 2/11/12 02:50 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dwer.livejournal.com
Well, I...
Yes, but...
You see...

Alright, it's true. Theodore Roosevelt would have done those things too.

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Date: 31/10/12 21:01 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dexeron.livejournal.com
It all depends. The Enemy has many spies in his service, both birds and beasts. Perhaps this insect was working for the Dark Lord himself!!

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Date: 31/10/12 21:23 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com
True! Mitt only left the dog on the roof of the car, and it survived. No housefly holocaust!

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Date: 1/11/12 03:21 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] allhatnocattle.livejournal.com
If The Lord of The Rings is one long euphemism for marriage, then what's the Hobbit trilogy supposed to be about?

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Date: 1/11/12 08:23 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ddstory.livejournal.com
*raises hand*

Um... midget porn?

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Date: 2/11/12 02:22 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] underlankers.livejournal.com
Money. Lots and lots of money. Aka the long euphemism for the pre-nuptial. ;)

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Date: 31/10/12 18:57 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mahnmut.livejournal.com
The coin flip seems like the most lullzy of all options. Because whichever of them is (se)lected*, there won't be a very big difference (http://talk-politics.livejournal.com/1591001.html) in America's stature overall, especially as far as its attitude to other countries is concerned.

* I doubt anyone believes that the political establishment would just let anyone run for president, do they?

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Date: 1/11/12 03:34 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] allhatnocattle.livejournal.com
That's not true. Democrats tend to be very protectionist regarding trade (invoking tariffs and other barriers to trade), while Republicans have initiated nearly all the Free Trade agreements.

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Date: 31/10/12 18:57 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sandwichwarrior.livejournal.com


The biggest thing to me is the "who they surround themselves with" issue, and what sort of behavior they reward in their subordinates. I've found that this a much more reliable indicator of future behavior than pretty speeches or even past behavior.

That said I do put a lot of wheight on the debates but I tend to put a far greater emphasis on the overall gamesmanship of a candidate than the typical "Rah-Rah Go team". I'm less interested in the specific issues than in how well the canditdate presents them. How quick are they on they on thier feet, and How prone to misteps? Can they smell rhetorical blood in the water?

I almost clicked, "Do they look presidential?" but to me the real question is more "Is this a guy I'd want negotiating with the Russians on my behalf?"

I can tolerate intellectual drivel from my politicians but I demand that it beHigh Quality drivel.

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Date: 1/11/12 17:32 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sandwichwarrior.livejournal.com
Even in case's of apperant ideological conflict, certain trends may emerge.

For instance, say a candidate preaches "post-partisan" politics and surrounds himself with political pit-fighters and urban ward-bosses. If those political pit-fighters and urban ward-bosses have differing ideological backgrounds that would technically make the claim of being non-partisan correct, it still reveals something of the candidate's approach to the taking and holding of power.

Of course confusion can and does happen and in those cases you have no choice but to make a "best guess" while preparing for the worst and praying for the best.

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Date: 31/10/12 19:05 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] htpcl.livejournal.com
I'll never tire of citing this comment (http://talk-politics.livejournal.com/1104911.html?thread=88435215#t88435215).

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Date: 1/11/12 17:21 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sandwichwarrior.livejournal.com
It's a good one.

I actually would have voted for Clinton had she won the nomination in 08.
Edited Date: 1/11/12 17:34 (UTC)

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Date: 1/11/12 17:46 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] htpcl.livejournal.com
I'm sure many of the Democrat-leaning voters wouldn't mind having Chris Christie as president either. Guy pwns.

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Date: 1/11/12 18:12 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sandwichwarrior.livejournal.com
I have to admit that I don't know enough about him to hold an informed opinion.

Clinton may be a stone cold machiavellian bitch who may or may not have been "the power behind the throne" in the 90s, but god-damn if she aint one of the most skilled political pugilists of this generataion.

I may dislike her politics but I can respect her talent.

...And as I said above, if the question is "who would I want negotiating with the Russians on my behalf?" talent counts for a lot.
Edited Date: 1/11/12 18:14 (UTC)

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Date: 31/10/12 19:21 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] luvdovz.livejournal.com
Are they good at basketball? What about volleyball? Tennis? Extra points for ping-pong.

And here's a fundamental(ist) question...

Which team are they rooting for?

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Date: 31/10/12 19:54 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mahnmut.livejournal.com
There's only one team that matters, and it's Team The These United States of The America!

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Date: 31/10/12 19:55 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] htpcl.livejournal.com
I'm almost hearing Colbert's voice pronouncing these The-s.

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Date: 31/10/12 19:40 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] htpcl.livejournal.com
Technically, the next presidential term won't begin before the start of 2013, while the Mayan Apocalypse is supposed to happen a week before that...

Brb, off to stockpile some more beans and matches in my underground bunker.

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Date: 31/10/12 19:44 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nairiporter.livejournal.com
I was looking for a sequel to the Obama Deception movie.

It didn't come up.

I was disappointed. I am sure it would have totally swayed me, had I been an American voter - but I'm not.

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Date: 31/10/12 22:41 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] htpcl.livejournal.com
Btw...

> Touch, pause, engage!

How very South African of you!

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Date: 2/11/12 02:23 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] underlankers.livejournal.com
I just chose the devil I know over the devil I don't.

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