[identity profile] luzribeiro.livejournal.com posting in [community profile] talkpolitics
Obama authorizes secret support for Syrian rebels

First of all, that's hardly a surprise and I don't know what's so "secret" there (since it's known by everybody). Assad is in a similar situation to the one Gaddafi found himself in the last months of his rule. Of course, Syria is not Libya, it's a much smaller country and much more densely populated, more diverse ethnically and culturally, and meanwhile more homogeneous in terms of government control over the territory and the populace, as the central power and the military have a very firm grip.

Many would argue that for Assad, the writing is already on the wall. Well I'd be more cautious about that, though. It's still very unclear how long he'll hold to power. A couple of weeks ago the FSA were looking very likely to bring the regime down, but the army has since hit back very hard, including with aircraft and tanks, and they've regained much of what they had lost. In fact, as Fareed Zakaria said on The Daily Show, the rebels have hardly held a single city for more than a day.

And then, there's the concern that direct financing and arming certain groups of the rebels could backlash very badly, as it happens so often with short-sighted foreign policy. The main concern here is that the militant Sunni groups (including ones associated with Al Qaeda) could be seeking for ways to steer the uprising to their own ends. Which is one of the reasons that the response of the West (particularly the US) to this situation has been so cautious thus far. In fact, Obama's order explicitly forbids providing the rebels with "lethal" equipment for this very reason.

But in a more general sense, it's logical that the rebels' response to the regime's brutal suppression of the initially peaceful protests would give them the moral high ground in this struggle, and ultimately the international support they need. Even if they insist over and over that they do not want direct foreign intervention on their territory.

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Date: 5/8/12 19:28 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mahnmut.livejournal.com
Yet another leak, eh? Will they blame it on Assange again?

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Date: 5/8/12 19:55 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mahnmut.livejournal.com
OOOOO SNAP!

( ^ Here. I used the five circles (http://talk-politics.livejournal.com/1512911.html).)

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Date: 5/8/12 20:37 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] htpcl.livejournal.com
The question, as always is: OK, "we" remove Gaddafi Assad, then what.

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Date: 6/8/12 00:15 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] underlankers.livejournal.com
Shit hits fan and splatters all over the room. That's what..

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Date: 7/8/12 12:04 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] underlankers.livejournal.com
At what point will the USA actually invade Iran? There's been conspiracy theorists all in a bother about this every single year since 2004. At some point continuing to believe them just makes you a conspiracy theorist, not someone who offers a creditable analysis.

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Date: 7/8/12 15:30 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sophia-sadek.livejournal.com
Most of the speculation I have encountered has been on a limited preemptive strike at Iran's nuclear program. I do not pay attention to the conspiracy literature that fascinates you so much.

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Date: 7/8/12 17:42 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] underlankers.livejournal.com
Then the speculation has no idea what it's talking about, as that program's so scattered and diffuse that a limited attack aimed at it is a full-fledged assault.

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Date: 5/8/12 22:37 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] terminator44.livejournal.com
There's also the matter of Syria's chemical weapons stockpile.

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Date: 6/8/12 16:46 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] terminator44.livejournal.com
Well unlike Iraq we know for sure Syria has those weapons. They're what's keeping the U.S. and Israel out of this war, not Russia and China.
Edited Date: 6/8/12 16:48 (UTC)

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Date: 6/8/12 18:42 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sophia-sadek.livejournal.com
Didn't they pick those up when Iraqi Ba'athists fled across the border back in '03?

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Date: 6/8/12 00:15 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] underlankers.livejournal.com
And so the USA does what so many people have demanded be done by someone other than the Saudis, but now that the USA is doing this directly instead of through its friendly neighborhood totalitarians I predict that quite a few kneejerk anti-Americans will suddenly discover virtues in the Al-Assad regime that they denounced before finding this out just because the USA is arming the rebels against it. Nothing like useful idiots. The rebels, however, insisted this even as they were quite willing to take Riyadh's money, and direct intervention is still direct even if it comes from a pseudo-medieval petrostate.

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Date: 6/8/12 07:45 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mahnmut.livejournal.com
This knee-jerk anti-American is honored to be an useful idiot, kthx!

Regime change is so fun, yo!

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Date: 6/8/12 13:02 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] underlankers.livejournal.com
I didn't say you were a useful idiot, I just predict that there would be some. Your anti-Americanism is grounded in criticisms much more sophisticated than "USA evil USA supervillain."

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Date: 7/8/12 11:31 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mahnmut.livejournal.com
Meh, not really.

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