[identity profile] paft.livejournal.com posting in [community profile] talkpolitics
Why wouldn't they? It worked in 2000.

Via Crooks and Liars

The last time, the target was black voters and the rationale for removing names was the voters were convicted felons. This time the target is Hispanic voters and the rationale offered that they are “illegal immigrants”:





The full universe of potentially ineligible voters that state elections officials plan to check for possible removal from the roles is about 180,000, a spokesman for the Division of Elections said Friday, reports David Royse of the News Service of Florida.

Elections spokesman Chris Cate told the News Service that in all, when matching voter rolls against newly available citizenship data from the Department of Highway Safety and Motor Vehicles, officials found that number of possible matches, and began further investigating each one to see if they were likely to be wrongly registered to vote…

But earlier this week it wasn’t clear how many more names might eventually be checked. On Friday, Cate said the larger number was the total identified so far, but that it will take some time to further cull through that list to determine which names are most likely accurately identified as non-citizens.

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A list of “suspect voters?” Matching names to voter rolls? Anyone who remembers the 2000 presidential election, and is up on what happened in Florida is going to find this nastily familiar.



This news story was aired in Great Britain in the wake of the last election. It goes into devastating and well-documented detail about how the election was stolen in Florida. But one of the most telling moments, one that helps explain the mystifying inertia of Democratic leadership in the wake of that fiasco, comes near the end, at about the 11:35 mark, when reporter Greg Palast talks to Democrats at a $5,000 a plate fundraiser.



It’s back to champagne politics as usual. One Democrat, a big shot at the soiree, whispered they would have done the same as Katherine Harris [Florida Elections official who oversaw the purging of thousands of legal Democratic voters from the rolls] if they had the chance.


The Democratic Party Chairman, Bob Poe, who was apparently attending that fundraiser, does bitterly denounce the disenfranchisement of voters in this clip. But here in 2012, with our greater awareness of the divide between rich and poor, that unnamed Democratic fat cat whispering his contempt for the vote resonates painfully. For many Democrats back then, it was a shock to discover how little the integrity of the vote mattered to the people in power, Democrat or Republican. Those of us (like the Black Caucus) who objected too loudly and too persistently were essentially told to sit down and shut up. It was an sign of just how much big money had come to matter, and how little the rest of us did.

The Republicans plainly haven’t changed. Have the Democrats?

We’ll see.

Crossposted from Thoughtcrimes

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Date: 14/5/12 19:47 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] policraticus.livejournal.com
Should illegal immigrants be able to vote in US elections?

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Date: 14/5/12 21:12 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com
Are you? If you're basing what happened on Greg Palast, I have to ask.

Here' the thing - the voter roll audit happens every time. It's public knowledge. It's up to the voter, not the government, to make sure their voter information remains accurate.

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Date: 14/5/12 21:55 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] policraticus.livejournal.com
No.

OK. So, what if a name or registration is ambiguous? This could be for any reason, including confusing names, places of residency, eligibility, immigration status, etc. What do you think should happen?

Are you familiar with what happened in Florida in 2000?

Please. George W. Bush won. Get over it.

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Date: 14/5/12 20:42 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] enders-shadow.livejournal.com
What kind of question is that?
More importantly:

why are they illegal?

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Date: 14/5/12 20:57 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] 404.livejournal.com
Because they didn't do through the process to become legal?

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Date: 14/5/12 21:56 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] policraticus.livejournal.com
What kind of question is that?

Pertinent.

why are they illegal?

Because they haven't gone through the process to gain legal residency in the US. They have broken the laws regarding immigration to the US.

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Date: 14/5/12 20:01 (UTC)
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Are we *still* seeing conspiracy theories about 2012 a full twelve years later? O.o

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Date: 14/5/12 20:58 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] 404.livejournal.com
Is this 2024? Man, I must have slept long last night...

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Date: 14/5/12 21:44 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] underlankers.livejournal.com
Wrong date. I meant 2000 and typed 2012. Well, not the first mistake I make on the Internet and won't be the last..

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Date: 14/5/12 21:05 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] op-tech-glitch.livejournal.com
I was seeing conspiracy theories (well, theories anyway) about 2012 way back in 1988.

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Date: 14/5/12 21:45 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] underlankers.livejournal.com
It is a convenient conspiracy theory that the Republicans "rigged" Florida as opposed to say, Ohio or another state where that might actually be feasible, as opposed to the Dems badly messing up. 2000 was just very unlucky timing in an odd place, not one bunch stealing an election from another.

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Date: 14/5/12 21:49 (UTC)
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No, no one was "barred" from the polls. The voter rolls were cleaned up as they will be again, and the appeals process will be put in place for people to get reinstated in the event of an error, same as before.

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Date: 14/5/12 21:04 (UTC)
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I still think that's the real reason some folks have got such a dander up about Obama. The 2008 wasn't even close enough for them to try to steal it.

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Date: 14/5/12 22:58 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] enders-shadow.livejournal.com
See South Park

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Date: 14/5/12 22:32 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] telemann.livejournal.com
Isn't Florida's new voter registration laws being challenged in court?

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Date: 15/5/12 00:18 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gunslnger.livejournal.com
They should remove everyone from the registration database every year, and you should assume that they do actually do so. If you don't, it's your own fault. This isn't voter suppression.

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Date: 15/5/12 00:27 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com
I would be more than okay with this.

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Date: 15/5/12 00:28 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sandwichwarrior.livejournal.com
Seeing as it's supposed to be a secret ballot, erasing the voter records after each election makes a lot of sense
Edited Date: 15/5/12 00:28 (UTC)

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From: [identity profile] devil-ad-vocate.livejournal.com
And it would be so very inexpensive to compile a new one every year.

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How will this not result in more government spending to get people registered?

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Date: 15/5/12 17:26 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sophia-sadek.livejournal.com
Back in the day, the Republicans could simply cut a deal with Iranians to ensure a victory. There was no need to tamper with voter rolls.

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