[identity profile] underlankers.livejournal.com posting in [community profile] talkpolitics
In 1979, as we all know, the regime of Reza Shah Pahlavi was overthrown. Within a short amount of time Vladimir Lenin arrived through Finland Station and declared All Power to the Soviets-er Ayatollah Khomeini co-opted the Revolution and built out of it the first of the Islamist societies and currently the only one to really show any ability to last. Next door to the Ayatollah was the secular regime of the Ba'ath Party led by one Saddam Al-Tikriti Hussein Al-Majid. This regime was secular, progressive on women's rights, and ruled the sacred sites of the religion Khomeini was building his theocracy over.

When Khomeini began using the Dawa Party as a proxy against Iraq, Saddam decided "Fuck this shit, I'm-a invade." And so he did invade, and never quite made it all the way to Abadan with his army and society at their relative strongest with regard to Iran.



So for eight years Iraq and Iran waged a sustained and bloody war in the marshes near Basra, a war where Iraq through massive foreign aid, including one of the only times in the Cold War where the USA and USSR both aided one side in a war (though the USA also under Ronald Reagan gave Iran a shitload of guns to finance a terrorist movement of nun-rapers known as the Contras, something that is extremely ironic in today's context). Iraq built the fourth largest army in the world off of this, was repeatedly nearly outmatched by teenagers charging through minefields at the most advanced armor, artillery, small arms, and air power of the day. Iraq also waged the longest conventional war of the 20th Century, a war that often looked like WWI in the Italian Front but with the most complex weapons of the 20th Century.

But meanwhile in the 21st Century this war, like the Soviet-Afghan War, has completely fallen off the radar. Now, this one I have some guesses on why this was, guesses that include "USA", "removal from terrorist list" and "Rumsfeld-Saddam Handshake" as part of why, and "Attempted Annexation of Kuwait" as another part. Yet the Iran-Iraq War, where Iraq with the full aid and complicity of both the United States and the Soviet Union Iraq engaged in repeated violations of existing prohibitions on chemical weapons. Yes, Soviet Union includes the one under St. Michael Gorbachev (snerk) here.



My really cynical view of why this war is all but forgotten is that if it were actually viewed in any significant fashion it would thoroughly and completely undercut most of the USA's hubris gained from recreating its military virtuosity at the expense of a tin-pot Third World dictatorship. Not only from the USA of Ronald Reagan deliberately removing Iraq from the list of terrorist-sponsoring states, but in revealing that with the fourth largest army in the world Iranian teenagers without any equivalent firepower regularly came within a hair's breadth of kicking the ass of a regime that in theory in 2003, when far, far weaker, was an existential threat to the United States. This war in general illustrated how in the right circumstances nothing at all changed in terms of the whims and actions of the Great Powers, and thus everyone except Iran has had reason to forget this war, even though remembering it would explain things like the curious irony of Mr. Bush's War promoting an Iranian puppet to rule Iraq......

(no subject)

Date: 22/3/12 12:58 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] a-new-machine.livejournal.com
Wait, the Soviet-Afghan war has totally fallen off the radar? I thought everyone acknowledged that as the birthplace of international mujihadeen networks, and the source of the pre-al Qaeda groups, as well as the context in which we were thrust during our own occupation of Afghanistan.

This war in general illustrated how in the right circumstances nothing at all changed in terms of the whims and actions of the Great Powers, and thus everyone except Iran has had reason to forget this war

And that's probably why it is never mentioned, except for random asides to explain why Iran is on the rise since Saddam fell (a narrative that, conveniently, reinforces the idea that Great Powers always have outsized impacts).
Edited Date: 22/3/12 13:01 (UTC)

(no subject)

Date: 22/3/12 15:43 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dexeron.livejournal.com
I don't know if it's completely fallen off of the radar, but it's interesting that you very rarely see "Rambo III" or "The Living Daylights" broadcast on TV anymore.

(no subject)

Date: 22/3/12 16:38 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] 404.livejournal.com
I love "The Living Daylights." Timothy Dalton was majorly underrated as Bond.

(no subject)

Date: 22/3/12 17:51 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] telemann.livejournal.com
I wished Henry Cavill had been cast for the Casino Royale movie they did a few years ago. But he was considered too young. :/

(no subject)

Date: 22/3/12 21:41 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] 404.livejournal.com
I can see why. The James Bond character is supposed to be in his late thirties, early 40's.

(no subject)

Date: 22/3/12 22:01 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] telemann.livejournal.com
Yeah the director was pushing hard for Henry Cavill, but the producers thought Daniel Craig actually resembles what Ian Flemming described as what James Bond looked like, (blond hair, not black) and sort of like David Bowie in terms of build. I think Flemming said Bowie personified the look he had in his mind's eye.
Edited Date: 22/3/12 22:02 (UTC)

(no subject)

Date: 23/3/12 12:58 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] danalwyn.livejournal.com
I think a lot of people did study the Iran-Iraq war, but the conclusion they came to was that both sides were incompetent. Iraq's inability to maintain momentum, their command and control issues, and their problems with coordination made most analysts decide to dismiss them. Iran's "teenagers charging through minefields" offensive into Iraq, their disastrous fixation with human wave attacks, and the incompetent meddling of their political leadership made them look pretty bad too. The failure of both sides to use technological superiority in the air (Iran at the start, Iraq at the end) effectively made them look like they had just blundered into their equipment lockers.

Given that, I'm glad in a way that people have forgotten this war. On the one hand it does make the Iraqi army look pathetic and mean that they were never a military threat...but we were always worried about terrorism anyway so people dismiss that. On the other hand, it makes the Iranian army look like a pushover. Ten good minutes and we'll have them fleeing for their lives. I'm glad we've forgotten that lesson because in the current environment it always seems a bit more tempting then reality dictates it should.

Credits & Style Info

Monthly topic:
Post-Truth Politics Revisited

Dailyquote:
"The NATO charter clearly says that any attack on a NATO member shall be treated, by all members, as an attack against all. So that means that, if we attack Greenland, we'll be obligated to go to war against ... ourselves! Gee, that's scary. You really don't want to go to war with the United States. They're insane!"

May 2026

M T W T F S S
     1 23
4567 8910
11 121314 1516 17
1819 2021222324
25262728293031