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Things are looking desperate for Kiribati, the tiny island nation in the Pacific. The government is negotiating with Fiji to purchase lands on an island and gradually move their population there, before the rising tides have completely swept away their country because of climate change.

Kiribati has about a hundred thousand people and that may not sound like a big deal, but given the size of those countries (Fiji has 0.8 million people) this looks like a massive exodus indeed. For years the atolls of Kiribati are experiencing rising waters, now a large part of their settlements suffering from periodic floods. Some of the 32 islands of the archipelago are already effectively gone.

If the negotiations are successful, this could be the first climate migration in modern times. Of course, migrations have occurred often in the past between the Pacific islands. But this is something unprecedented in size and consequences, especially in modern history.

The flooding of the islands is not the only problem, though. The saltifying process has brought an enormous problem with fresh water shortages, too. The other problem is that Kiribati does not really have a strong economy, most of its income comes from fish export and some tourism, and they would be in enormous debt if they are to purchase land in another country. But they might have run out of options at this point.

The president Tong is doing his best to persuade Fiji to sell them land on the island Vanua Levu (the 2nd largest in Fiji) where the exiled nation could be hosted. He is smart enough to not opt for advising his people to save themselves separately as they deem appropriate and disperse his nation, but instead he has adopted a national strategy. He says he does not want the Kiribati people to be mere refugees in a foreign country, where they would be seen as second-class people, and potentially suffer from abuse and exploitation. He wants to grant them a decent life. So he has started a qualification program that would raise their skills and make them a valuable asset to their new hosting society, a skilled labour force that could contribute to the Fijian economy instead of hanging on its neck like a burden.

There have been other ideas for salvation in the past, like building artificial islands... but the global financial crisis has made it impossible because that would be too expensive. Now the only option left is to find a new place to move to, before the tides have swallowed their country.

And that is not the only country finding itself in such trouble due to climate change. The Maldives have had this issue for many years, and the 2004 tsunami served as a red light.


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Date: 11/3/12 20:18 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] paedraggaidin.livejournal.com
To me, the conservative position is not incompatible with environmentalism, but seeks to have private industry control environmental management rather than have the government regulate it (whether this is realistic is, of course, debatable ). Conservative opposition to the environmental movement is based on other factors, some understandable (the movement is replete with elitist hypocrisy and apocalyptic hyperbole that's been about as accurate as Harold Camping's end times predictions) and some just plain whack ("it's a socialist conspiracy!").

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Date: 11/3/12 20:27 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] luvdovz.livejournal.com
I think I'm fine with having a debate about the choice between private industry taking the initiative for environmental management vs government regulation. Such a debate could be very constructive, and mind you, I do believe that a sensible mix between both forms of environmental management could work just fine, if we're to play our cards smartly.

What I'm not fine with is statements of outright dismissal of the entire issue, based on some vague ideological "belief" that's got little to nothing to do with scientifically verifiable reality. It leads nowhere.
Edited Date: 11/3/12 20:29 (UTC)

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Date: 11/3/12 20:46 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] paedraggaidin.livejournal.com
Definitely agree with you.

I hope I didn't come across as defending those types. :P

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Date: 11/3/12 21:01 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] luvdovz.livejournal.com
That wouldn't be a problem either, in that case you'd just have to defend your denfense of those types with arguments. ;)

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Date: 11/3/12 21:42 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] oslo.livejournal.com
I agree with you - I ended up taking Environmental Law with Richard Epstein, one of the most outspoken and well-regarded libertarian legal scholars of his generation, and one of the themes of his course wasn't to deny the need for a regulatory regime that protects the environment, but to argue for a regulatory regime that worked better than the currently-instituted one in aligning private incentives with the goals of environmental protection - which he took to be valuable goals, in themselves.

I think that most mainstream conservatives would sign on to the idea that we can protect the environment through the use of property rights. Where they start to fall off is at the idea that environmental protection under such a regime would tend to require the internalization of costs, potentially resulting in more costly utilities, commodities, and the like. (Thus the rhetoric about how cap-and-trade regulation of CO2 would amount to a "carbon tax.")

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