Simple Q:

[enders-shadow.livejournal.com]

http://labornotes.org/2012/02/chicago-occupation-challenges-corporate-school-agenda

This isn't terribly big news. But it does show that an occupation of space can lead to a positive result.

To be fair, I felt occupation was a silly tactic back in early September 2011. I've come around sense then.

Have you? Does this article mean anything to you? Does it make you think that maybe occupying spaces is a tactic that gets results?

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[a-new-machine.livejournal.com]

Does it make you think that maybe occupying spaces is a tactic that gets results?

"Occupy" is just a spin on "sit-in" designed (originally, anyway) to satirize our use of military occupations to solve other countries' problems. Or that's how I read it, anyway. It's not like this is a novel or unproven tactic. The use of masses of individuals to continually disrupt the normal business of a protested organization is pretty old (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sit-in).

[sophia-sadek.livejournal.com]

During the Iran-Contra hearings, I was involved in a congressional office occupation. We did not get everything we hoped, but we got more than we feared. As with the case outlined in this article, we got the attention of people in charge.

[muscadinegirl.livejournal.com]

Any group of citizens working together towards a goal is usually a good thing in a democracy (depending on the goal). It's even been known to work under other types of government.

[badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com]

This isn't terribly big news. But it does show that an occupation of space can lead to a positive result.

What's the positive result here? That they got access that they could have gotten by acting like adults instead of children?

If anything, the occupiers should be supporting such charter schools and school choice, since that's going to do more than the status quo that's failing our kids.

What defines a "positive result" here?

Have you? Does this article mean anything to you? Does it make you think that maybe occupying spaces is a tactic that gets results?

I've held that it's childish and juvenile, and that it doesn't really accomplish much. Nothing, to this point, has been shown to me to suggest otherwise, and the continued behavior of the occupy supporters and sympathizers isn't helping matters.

[enders-shadow.livejournal.com]

If you don't know what "positive result" means, I cannot imagine you are arguing in good faith, and as such, you are not worth any time.

Good day.

[badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com]

If you can't even define the terms to discuss them, what's the point of your post?

[enders-shadow.livejournal.com]

Anybody with half a brain knows that the definition game can go on indefinitely. If you cannot understand what is meant by an insanely common sense phrase then there is no point talking to you.

You are being deliberately obtuse.

[badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com]

I know what I think a "positive result" would be, and I'm not seeing it here. You never explain what the "positive result" is here, so I'm asking you to expand on it. Can you do that?

[enders-shadow.livejournal.com]

the occupiers did force all seven school board members to each engage a team of parents and community members in intensive discussions on the future of the school, cracking a wall of silence from city leaders

[meowchica.livejournal.com]

http://occupyourhomes.org

is this not positive?

[badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com]

This is actually very negative, and rewards defaulting on contracts as opposed to rightful ownership.

If I don't pay my mortgage, what right do I have to the home I'm not paying for?

[enders-shadow.livejournal.com]

What gives someone the right to own land?

[telemann.livejournal.com]

THE 10th AMMENDMENT, BUSTER!!!11

[enders-shadow.livejournal.com]

lol

[gunslnger.livejournal.com]

The common desire to not have to fight everyone else all the time over everything.

[enders-shadow.livejournal.com]

true!
but the people who dont have land agree to other people owning land because....?

[meowchica.livejournal.com]

You're simplifying the issue to just a bunch of people who didn't follow through with paying instead of including the factors that led to the foreclosures.

A lot of it wasn't their fault, and a lot of it wasn't legal.

[badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com]

A lot of it wasn't their fault, and a lot of it wasn't legal.

I have my doubts. I'm certainly not taking their word for it, and the Occupy Homes lunatics have not really differentiated between legal and what they deem as illegal foreclosures.

[meowchica.livejournal.com]

lunatics is a strong word for people who are spending all of their time trying to help others - whether they're succeeding or not.

[dwer.livejournal.com]

what it got was very positive -- proof that the city government was listening to them.

[badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com]

They probably already were. There's nothing to suggest they weren't, after all - one can hear what plenty of people have to say and dismiss it without comment.

[dwer.livejournal.com]

No, Jeff. They weren't.

[badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com]

Facts not in evidence, etc.

[dv8nation.livejournal.com]

Of course Occupy is getting results. Archie, Jughead, Betty and Veronica have been made to weigh in!
http://blog.newsarama.com/2012/02/22/occupy-riverdale-story-to-show-protests-in-archie-comics/

[op-tech-glitch.livejournal.com]

I prefer this one (start at the bottom of page 3):

http://home.teleport.com/~banalco/edocs/KulturDokuments-v1_0.pdf