The Game Changer?
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Well, it looks like Mitt Romney has been playing the "Selective Family Album" game and kinda/sorta/oppsies forgot to tell everyone he is 1/4 Mexican.
And just did why did Mitt's father flee Mexico for the safety of the US?
In his public life Mitt Romney has said and written little about his ancestors' history in Mexico. In one oft-repeated quote he said his family left the U.S. for Mexico to escape persecution for their religious beliefs.
In fact, Romney's great grandfather, Miles Park Romney, led that first expedition to escape not persecution but prosecution for polygamy, or what Mormons called ‘plural marriage.’
Well, this is rather awkward, from a race standpoint. So we have the Southern US. There is a strong showing of rather simple minded voters who are Crusading Voters for Christ and All Other Things White™.
Who they going to vote for. Mitt the Mex? Barrak the Magic Negro?
Or maybe that white guy Gary Johnson, the only real social liberal/fiscal conservative in the race.
God DAMN I love Southern Idiocracy.
Question: Game changer? If Mitt embraces his SOTB roots, will this swing brown skins to his camp? WILL ANYONE DEMAND TO SEE HIS BIRTH CERTIFICATE?
ETA: This just in! Cain demands to know more about this polygamy thing! 
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Date: 8/1/12 17:19 (UTC)You made the claim that the GOP is opposed to similar attempts at fleeing. If you can't back it up, then just say so.
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Date: 8/1/12 17:24 (UTC)As well as the Anti-Immigration laws (and discussions again on this very forum)...
and yet you want to pretend that nothing on this has been said and nothing to see??
And you wonder why I claim you're practicing blatant revisionism with this argument.
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Date: 8/1/12 18:25 (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 8/1/12 19:01 (UTC)The absence of those signs pretty much shoots down *your* position -- not mine.
But thanks for making my point for me in showing how much of a stretch your point was..
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Date: 8/1/12 19:04 (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 8/1/12 19:13 (UTC)You realize how ... interesting... your objections are. Especially to your OWN points
(no subject)
Date: 8/1/12 19:14 (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 8/1/12 19:24 (UTC)WHO brought up religious persecution as some "meaningful" difference between Romney's family and Mexicans at the border. I believe that person was you.
Right now, may I recommend you straighten out your story of WHO said WHAT in the discussion right above... and then re-evaluate if *your* words should be a reflection on *you*.
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Date: 8/1/12 19:44 (UTC)In fact, you were the one who made the equation. FACT: Romney's grandparents fled from religious persecution. You keep wanting to make hay out of a different kind of immigration as if they're at all comperable.
So yes, please straighten yourself out here.
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Date: 8/1/12 19:51 (UTC)If you're going to be mad at someone bringing up false equivalence arguments, may I suggest a mirror?
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Date: 8/1/12 20:10 (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 8/1/12 22:38 (UTC)* Fleeing from the law, into another country to take refuge = Good
* Fleeing from bad conditions or live-threatening events, into another country for refuge = Bad
It seems the distinction only seems to be on *who* were talking about, and why it's a double standard.
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Date: 8/1/12 22:55 (UTC)(no subject)
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Date: 8/1/12 19:49 (UTC)People in Mexico, today, are often trying to escape
escalating violence, blatantly corrupt government and
officials who victimize them as badly as any criminal, and
increasing poverty.
THOSE people are deemed criminals, leeches, and talk of building a fence to keep them out gets applause
HOWEVER
Romney's family flee the US in violation of laws that had been effect for years beforehand -- and not only is "OK", but is even spun as "fleeing persecution" and talks of asylum come up.
People fleeing for their lives = BAD. SHOOT THEM. BUILD A WALL.
People fleeing for a second wife = Those poor people, they're victims.
Notice the inconsistency in your stance there Jeff?
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Date: 8/1/12 20:12 (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 8/1/12 22:39 (UTC)We're not talking the reasons...we're talking the REACTIONS of the GOP.
and again: You're now picking and choosing which breaches of the law and policy you're willing to overlook...while condemning others for doing the same.
DOUBLE STANDARD. Get it?
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Date: 8/1/12 22:46 (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 8/1/12 22:56 (UTC)Take your time... thanks.
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Date: 8/1/12 22:43 (UTC)http://www.nytimes.com/1989/10/11/nyregion/reaganism-now-liability-for-giuliani.html?pagewanted=all&src=pm
Note the Republicans who were **against** offering people asylum in this country.
Your thoughts Mr. "Show me a Republican against asylum"?
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Date: 8/1/12 22:44 (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 8/1/12 22:55 (UTC)has anyone on the GOP side been talking about asylum
and yet, you throw it into the mix. And then actually tried to use the *absence* of those issues on *your* side of the fence as proof that I was wrong????
I'm glad you finally admit you were wrong -- it's just it shouldn't have required a link to prove it, since many of us have followed the community long enough to already know the answer to it.
Next, I'll make sure I send a link proving the sun sets and rises in an approximatley 24-hour period along the equator...because otherwise how would anyone know?
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Date: 8/1/12 21:40 (UTC)http://www.nytimes.com/1989/10/11/nyregion/reaganism-now-liability-for-giuliani.html?pagewanted=all&src=pm
(no subject)
Date: 8/1/12 22:42 (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 8/1/12 22:55 (UTC)Personally I find it more fun than frustrating, don't you? I mean, without people like Jeff, we would not have to think through our positions as thoroughly.
Enjoy the rest of your weekend, my friend :)
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Date: 8/1/12 22:58 (UTC)As I said in another comment, next he'll demand a link proving water is wet and fire is hot.
Enjoy your weekend as well!