[identity profile] rick-day.livejournal.com posting in [community profile] talkpolitics
Hit the Mitt!

Well, it looks like Mitt Romney has been playing the "Selective Family Album" game and kinda/sorta/oppsies forgot to tell everyone he is 1/4 Mexican.

And just did why did Mitt's father flee Mexico for the safety of the US?

In his public life Mitt Romney has said and written little about his ancestors' history in Mexico.  In one oft-repeated quote he said his family left the U.S. for Mexico to escape persecution for their religious beliefs.

In fact, Romney's great grandfather, Miles Park Romney, led that first expedition to escape not persecution but prosecution for polygamy, or what Mormons called ‘plural marriage.’

Well, this is rather awkward, from a race standpoint. So we have the Southern US. There is a strong showing of rather simple minded voters who are Crusading Voters for Christ and All Other Things White™.

Who they going to vote for. Mitt the Mex? Barrak the Magic Negro?

Or maybe that white guy Gary Johnson, the only real social liberal/fiscal conservative in the race.

God DAMN I love Southern Idiocracy.

Question: Game changer? If Mitt embraces his SOTB roots, will this swing brown skins to his camp? WILL ANYONE DEMAND TO SEE HIS BIRTH CERTIFICATE?

ETA: This just in! Cain demands to know more about this polygamy thing!

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Date: 8/1/12 19:44 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com
WHO brought up religious persecution as some "meaningful" difference between Romney's family and Mexicans at the border. I believe that person was you.

In fact, you were the one who made the equation. FACT: Romney's grandparents fled from religious persecution. You keep wanting to make hay out of a different kind of immigration as if they're at all comperable.

So yes, please straighten yourself out here.

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Date: 8/1/12 19:51 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] chessdev.livejournal.com
WHO brought up asylum? That was YOU.

If you're going to be mad at someone bringing up false equivalence arguments, may I suggest a mirror?

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Date: 8/1/12 20:10 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com
The entire reason Romney's family fled was religious persecution. Any other immigration stuff is a distraction from that point.

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Date: 8/1/12 22:38 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] chessdev.livejournal.com
So AGAIN to review:

* Fleeing from the law, into another country to take refuge = Good

* Fleeing from bad conditions or live-threatening events, into another country for refuge = Bad


It seems the distinction only seems to be on *who* were talking about, and why it's a double standard.

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Date: 8/1/12 22:55 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com
Until you realize the special place that religious/political persecution has in the immigration situation, and the problem of Mormon persecution in the United States in history, you're never going to understand why there's no double standard.

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Date: 8/1/12 23:01 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] chessdev.livejournal.com
UH....

Sneaking across the border going South = GOOD

Sneaking across the border going North = BAD


**That** is what we're talking about.

I also like how you ignore people coming north to escape violence...escape being arrested by corrupt cops...to escape poverty

But the ONLY THING THAT MATTERS is that grandpa Joe, already in the U.S. and in violation of laws it had for years....had to run


I almost have to ask WHY you seem to only care about Prosecution of the family of the Republican, but not those "non-Romney's" coming NORTH?


It's the lack of concern of ALL the people that makes it a double standard. You keep putting a strawman of "religious persecution", except that's not the point....

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Date: 8/1/12 23:06 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com
Sneaking across the border going South = GOOD

Sneaking across the border going North = BAD


**That** is what we're talking about.


"Sneaking?" The Mexicans welcomed them.

I almost have to ask WHY you seem to only care about Prosecution of the family of the Republican, but not those "non-Romney's" coming NORTH?

Why do you think I don't care? You know I'm pretty much an open borders advocate.

It's the lack of concern of ALL the people that makes it a double standard. You keep putting a strawman of "religious persecution", except that's not the point....

I swear, if you spent less time assuming the positions I hold, we'd get along a lot better. 75% of this is you assuming I'm somehow angry or apathetic about illegal immigration, which is solely based on some fantasy you have about me rather than fact.

(no subject)

Date: 8/1/12 23:23 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] chessdev.livejournal.com
If you spent less time throwing strawmen out there ("religious persecution")
and argued the points

("Why is fleeing for 1 issue good but others bad? Why are GOP members willing to overlook fleeing the law, to have a "non-traditional marriage" by running into another WHEN people coming **this** direction are demonized, threated with being shot on sight, minuteman patrols and walls being built??)

THAT is the point for the 28th-billion time. It. Is. A. Double. Standard.
Period.

Thanks for playing

(no subject)

Date: 8/1/12 23:27 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com
If you think religious persecution is a strawman when that's exactly what happened in large numbers to Mormons in the United States, then there really isn't much else to say. I don't know whether to be resigned, disappointed, or disgusted, to be frank.

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