an example of improper use of pepper spray

[enders-shadow.livejournal.com]

I know, I know. OWS has taken over TP and sometimes, its just too much non-stop OWS posts.

Y'all remember those videos from Sept 24, right?

"A New York police commander who pepper-sprayed protesters during the opening days of the Occupy Wall Street demonstrations last month faces an internal disciplinary charge that could cost him 10 vacation days, the police said Tuesday.

The commander, Deputy Inspector Anthony Bologna, has been given a so-called command discipline, according to a law enforcement official. Officials said investigators found that the inspector ran afoul of Police Department rules for the use of the spray. The department’s patrol guide, its policy manual, says pepper spray should be used primarily to control a suspect who is resisting arrest, or for protection; it does allow for its use in “disorder control,” but only by officers with special training.

The Internal Affairs Bureau reviewed the episode and found that Inspector Bologna “used pepper spray outside departmental guidelines,” said Paul J. Browne, the Police Department’s chief spokesman. He declined to elaborate." - NYT on Oct 18

so that's all that happens if you pepper spray someone improperly. 10 days of vacation time is lost. that's definitely some severe punishment for using pepper spray on a woman HE DIDNT EVEN ARREST.

I know this is some hippie-dippie shit of me, but can we get some consensus here? Tony Bologna is a fucking jackoff? The NYPD has supported the common-sense theory that he went overboarding with his pepper-spraying and, i do hope the DA charges him with assault. As I'm sure he would charge anybody else who randomly pepper-sprayed some people.

I mean, can you imagine how quick to throw your ass in jail they would be if you pepper sprayed a police officer? Holy shit, you'd be lucky to make it to jail without any bruises. Even if you did go peacefully.

So: what do YOU think Tony Bologna's punishment for misuing pepper spray should be?

Me? I'd say fired. If this was his first charge, maybe suspension. But Tony got a list of these kinda incidents, so fuckem. Take his badge.

Comments

[soliloquy76.livejournal.com]

As long as the protests are peaceful, these kinds of actions by the police are the point. People see this and get angry. They are more sympathetic toward the OWS protesters. And, theoretically, their numbers grow. So let them use their non-lethal weapons inappropriately. It only serves to benefit OWS.

[enders-shadow.livejournal.com]

you're part of the rebel alliance and a traitor! take her away!

[dreadfulpenny81.livejournal.com]

I think his punishment is just fine as is. Firing is a bit extreme for misuse of pepper spray. I could understand firing for misuse of tear gas or rubber bullets (which may be what happens to someone from the Oakland PD depending on the results of their internal investigation).

[enders-shadow.livejournal.com]

...you realize 10 less days of vacation time means 10 more days he is on the job; which is 10 more days he could spray another unarmed, nonviolent, non-resisting woman in the face with pepper spray. that's the opposite of what should happen.

[dreadfulpenny81.livejournal.com]

Have you considered that's 10 days that he has to use sick time or not get paid when he calls in sick instead of using vacation time and being paid for it?

I've already said my opinion on the issue of pepper spray numerous times, so playing the "1 more day he could be _______ oh noes!" card does nothing for me.

[enders-shadow.livejournal.com]

I forget, so please refresh my memory or link back to your opinion on this. Cause also, this is a case where even the NYPD agrees that pepper-spray was not used properly.

And yes, I feel really bad for the man with a 150K/year salary losing 10 vacation days.

[mrbogey.livejournal.com]

That's like 3-4,000 dollars. Not chump change.

[thies.livejournal.com]

What did you expect?

Civilian killing a Cop: death sentence.
Cop killing Civilian: slap on the wrist.

[enders-shadow.livejournal.com]

I think that will be what I ask the next uniform I speak to.
"Hey officer, what do YOU do if you see another cop breaking the law?...no really?"

[enders-shadow.livejournal.com]

"Also, if you really ask a cop that you are a moron."

Why?

[merig00.livejournal.com]

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/28/nyregion/16-officers-ordered-to-surrender-in-ticket-fixing.html?pagewanted=all

About midnight Thursday, some of the accused officers began arriving at Central Booking at Bronx Criminal Court, at 215 East 161st Street. About 60 off-duty officers crowded in the main foyer to support their comrades. They formed a human wall, four-deep, between reporters and the some of the accused officers as they came out of a hallway. At three different times, when three of the accused men showed their faces, the crowd burst into applause. The accused men waved and pumped their fists in the air. An official came out of the hallway and stared down the crowd, drawing insults. A woman told the assembled officers to meet in the morning to support the accused officers at their arraignments.
...
On Thursday afternoon, the union sent a text message to 400 of its delegates encouraging them to fill the courtroom in the Bronx with officers in a show of support for the implicated union members. The idea was for those delegates to spread the message to rank-and-file members, the person said.

[enders-shadow.livejournal.com]

ok. your point is?

thats just an article; whats your message?

[merig00.livejournal.com]

This was in addition to Panookah's statement that noone will stand up to police. Also officers and union will cover for each other no matter what.

[raichu100.livejournal.com]

10 days??? That was my first reaction too. He should be on suspension until the investigation is through, and if he really does have a history of this kind of behavior he should not be working as a police officer.

[telemann.livejournal.com]

I know, I know. OWS has taken over TP and sometimes, its just too much non-stop OWS posts.

Never, ever apologize for your posts. This is a political community and the OWS is political news. If people whine about posts, they're free to scroll past them and not read them. They sort of remind me of people who used to say on IRC "I'm bored." Well log off, honey ;)

[enders-shadow.livejournal.com]

true. but with the amount of OWS news there is, you could flood this place to an absurd point.
I've even been concerned that with the amount of OWS news other things might be getting missed.

that said:

occupy everything
occupy together
we are the 99%!

[telemann.livejournal.com]

true. but with the amount of OWS news there is, you could flood this place to an absurd point.

That's such a relative term. My scroll wheel handles 'absurd' just fine anyway ;)

[enders-shadow.livejournal.com]

c'mon, you could have 50 different OWS posts a day(--how many cities is it in, after all?). that'd be overwhelming.

[kardashev.livejournal.com]

So: what do YOU think Tony Bologna's punishment for misuing pepper spray should be?

He should be forced to read all the OWS spam in t_p. Aloud.

Then copy it all down on a chalkboard.

[htpcl.livejournal.com]

That's the trick! :-D

[kardashev.livejournal.com]

Sure. Sounds like a good addition.

[merig00.livejournal.com]

Or maybe they can't fire him over this due to his union contract? :D