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[enders-shadow.livejournal.com]

http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/313613

Second amendment rights. But only for Christians and McCain voters.

This is really dumb, and I'd like to see everyone in this comm agree that the owner of this store is violating the law and discriminating unjustly. That is my view, if there is another view out there, please, share it with me.

Comments

[chessdev.livejournal.com]

So laws only matter if you personally agree with them????

Strange to hear from a "strict Constitutionalist"

[badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com]

I don't see where I said that at all. Unconstitutional laws should be opposed, and should eventually cease to exist.

[chessdev.livejournal.com]

and since it's wrong to suggest things like
Doctors treating everyone -- and not just white people, for example

then I guess you'll be in line to oppose that??


I mean seriously dude: Consider for a moment what you seem to be defending.

[badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com]

and since it's wrong to suggest things like
Doctors treating everyone -- and not just white people, for example

then I guess you'll be in line to oppose that??

Doctors should treat everyone. That doesn't mean we should create a legal obligation at odds with their right to free association.

[chessdev.livejournal.com]

**BLINK**

Wow.

[badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com]

It's called having principles.

[chessdev.livejournal.com]

You defend the right of a doctor to refuse treatment to a patient due
to their skin color or religion...

AND you have the nerve to talk about "having principles"?!?!?!?!?


You dont even see the dissonance do you?

[badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com]

It's generally wrong to discriminate.

It's wrong to tell people who they should associate with.

There's no dissonance there. There's the way people should act, and the way governments should act.

[chessdev.livejournal.com]

Your grasp of American History -- it's not particularly strong
in this discussion.

[badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com]

So you say. How do you figure?

[chessdev.livejournal.com]

Jim Crow Laws -- you are literally defending them.

One of the greatest post-Slavery "social evils" and you throw your
hat behind THAT horse?


and THEN in another thread you pretend you understand what it's like to be truly discriminated against???

Man, we're not even from the same planet you and I.

[badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com]

Jim Crow Laws -- you are literally defending them.

How so? I have no interest in the government requiring discrimination.

and THEN in another thread you pretend you understand what it's like to be truly discriminated against???

Clearly, you've shadowed me through all thirty years of my life, and thus know every experience I've had. My apologies for not deferring my life history to some random dude on the internet.

[mrbogey.livejournal.com]

'Jim Crow Laws -- you are literally defending them.'

I get the exact opposite out of what he said. Jim Crow violated the freedom of association.

[underlankers.livejournal.com]

Never in an explicitly racist sense. The laws were written to appear neutral, but only selectively enforced. Had they been strictly applied a significant number of poor whites who did vote would not have been allowed to do so, but they were despite not meeting requirements blacks denied votes or even the right to economically succeed without being strung from a tree and their corpse passed around on postcards as something to be celebrated.

[enders-shadow.livejournal.com]

It's generally wrong to tell people what to do.
not always.

[badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com]

Of course. This is not one of those times.

[prock.livejournal.com]

It's wrong to tell people who they should associate with.

Actually, it's not.

You may think it's wrong.

Most racists do.

[badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com]

It's wrong to legally mandate that sort of thing, I should say.

Of course, you wouldn't do something so stupid as to imply that I'm a racist, right?

Public and Private Discrimination

[tcpip.livejournal.com]

You can discriminate in your private life to your heart's content on whatever basis you think is appropriate according to one's morality and conscience.

However in the public sphere, and that includes the legal trade of goods and services using legal tender, you cannot.

As it should be, end of story.

Re: Public and Private Discrimination

[badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com]

However in the public sphere, and that includes the legal trade of goods and services using legal tender, you cannot.

As it should be, end of story.

I'll say it again - no one has the right to anyone else's goods or services. The private sphere is private for a reason, and to pretend that private transactions exist "in the public sphere" is a distortion of that process.

[mrbogey.livejournal.com]

Why is it on some issues people think that if you support a right on principle it means you support the practice?

"I support the right of people to smoke marijuana."

"OMG! You want school bus drivers toking up and then driving your kids under the influence!!!!"

[badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com]

If that were the case, I'd be a polyamourous polytheist with my 5 gay husbands doing crystal meth in a brothel.

[yes-justice.livejournal.com]

A white only brothel!

You think its wrong to discriminate, but you're against using the rule of law to try and stop it. Reminding me of the Freedom of speech debate.

The law should at least attempt to keep people from killing each other. Preventing such discrimination keeps the peace.

[badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com]

You think its wrong to discriminate, but you're against using the rule of law to try and stop it. Reminding me of the Freedom of speech debate.

I don't see a right to shop in a private market in the Constitution the same way I see a right to speech in the Constitution. And the Constitution doesn't protect my freedom of speech from private interference, merely government interference - in the sense that the government may, in theory, offer a market, the government should not be able to discriminate the way a private market would.

The law should at least attempt to keep people from killing each other. Preventing such discrimination keeps the peace.

Discrimination is not murder, however.

[prock.livejournal.com]

Are you saying that it should be illegal for school bus drivers to drive stoned?