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Some fiery shit right here. Shuts them other suits right up proper.


Questions for the group: Is he right regarding Obama's (and ours, collectively) only hope of turning this around? Is Congressional election system so money corrupt that we, the people, must literally fire them from their jobs? 

Does anyone know anything about his references to previous presidents bypassing Congress LIKE A BOSS and going to the people, even at the risk of alienating his own party (even more than he has)?


And what about this new bank idea of his, loaning business capital @ 2%? Which side claims that idea?

EDITED FOR CLARIFICATION: Folks, checks and balances are not the issue here. Not is the abolition of Congress and establishing  Executive dictatorships. That is silly talk.

The issue is the speaker in the video suggests the POTUS, who is free to speak directly to the people, should rally the people against the Congress incumbency.

Some think he has to have Congressional oversight to do so. Er, no. He is not passing laws here, folks.

What the gentleman in the video is suggesting is that Obama talk directly to the people as our LEADER, to point the blame at the entire congress, including his party (80% of the country agree). He has the bully pulpit.

The purpose of the bully pulpit being to rally the people to purge Congress of incumbents, replace them with 'clean' legislators (read clarifications in my comments to those below who misinterpreted the intent), who will pledge to work in a non-partisan manner to get the country back on track (whatever that is; another post for another time)

Re: Transcript here (2 of 2)

Date: 11/8/11 01:37 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] policraticus.livejournal.com
Jimmy: Money in politics is the root of all political evil. It is corruption at its worst. And until we step up and kick that out of the park, it’s going to be the same system all the way.

Dylan: And only the President can do that.


Barack Obama has something like $1,000,000,000.00 campaign war-chest. The cognitive dissonance/partisan hackery on display here is staggering.

Re: Transcript here (2 of 2)

Date: 11/8/11 02:38 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] the-rukh.livejournal.com
How does Obama having campaign money make them wrong?

Re: Transcript here (2 of 2)

Date: 11/8/11 02:51 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] policraticus.livejournal.com
Whether or not money is, objectively speaking, the root of political evil is a separate issue. But, assuming it is true, for the sake of argument, don't you see the dissonance? "Only the most flagrant money grubber can save us from the evils of money grubbing." It is like someone in Weimar Germany saying, "This fascism thing is really becoming the most troublesome feature of our political system. Herr Hitler is our only hope for rectifying it!"

Re: I CALL

Date: 11/8/11 03:24 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] policraticus.livejournal.com
Godwin. You're doing it wrong.

Re: Transcript here (2 of 2)

Date: 11/8/11 03:24 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] the-rukh.livejournal.com
No I don't see dissonance. The only way anyone will ever get elected is by having money in the current system. That doesn't mean someone who has previously used the system cannot change it. In fact, the only way it will ever change is if someone who worked within the system to get power works to change it.

Re: Transcript here (2 of 2)

Date: 11/8/11 03:25 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] policraticus.livejournal.com
LOL.

You can't really believe that, can you?

Re: Transcript here (2 of 2)

Date: 11/8/11 04:11 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] allhatnocattle.livejournal.com
Um, that is exactly how the system is designed to work. You want some outsider changing it? That's a revolution!

Re: Transcript here (2 of 2)

Date: 11/8/11 18:23 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] underlankers.livejournal.com
They did say that. Then Hitler killed his helpers.....

Re: Transcript here (2 of 2)

Date: 11/8/11 02:49 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] debergerac.livejournal.com
hah. i had the same thought. in washington, everybody's bought and paid for.

Re: Transcript here (2 of 2)

Date: 11/8/11 04:12 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mrbogey.livejournal.com
Money isn't in politics. Politics IS money.

Divesting money from politics is like sugar with neither the sweetness or the calories.

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