[identity profile] kinvore.livejournal.com posting in [community profile] talkpolitics
I strongly recommend that everyone read a fascinating book called The Sociopath Next Door by Martha Stout, Ph.D.

What is a sociopath?
A sociopath (aka psychopath) is a person unable to feel emotions for other people the way most of us do. They can hurt us in many ways and sleep like a baby that night. They have no sense of guilt or remorse and are often a destructive force in our lives, both personally and sociologically. Studies indicate as many as 1 in 25 of us may have this lack of conscience (EDIT: it's only fair to remark several members of this community dispute that number and have provided their own links in the comments section that show this may be an inflated figure).

Many think of serial killers when they think of sociopathy, but those actually make up a small percentage of their numbers. One may think prisons would be filled with them but according to the book a study indicates roughly 20 percent of the prison population has this deficiency. They can be criminals and terrorists but they can also be a CEO or a politician. The scariest trait other than their lack of empathy is their ability to hide among us and remain difficult to detect.

Not all are violent, in fact many are smart enough to keep a low profile by avoiding violent behavior. In the book Dr. Stout gives several examples based on real cases, from a man who takes advantage of his wife, unemployed and sitting at the pool all day, to an administrator in a psychiatric facility who gets her pleasure from undermining the work of her colleagues (by sabotaging the progress of their patients), to a mild-mannered man that starts fires in post offices just to watch the frantic efforts to put out the blaze.

They are usually charming, spontaneous, and complex. And almost without exception they wreak havoc in the lives of those around them, usually because we refuse to believe that anyone can do such hurtful things to others just for the sake of hurting. They can be especially adept at getting others to go along with their schemes. They can be a terrorist, or a con man, or a teacher. They can be your next door neighbor, they can be in your family.

What does this have to do with politics?
Now here's where the book can really get interesting. As mentioned before, roughly 4% of the world's population is a sociopath, but in some countries the population can be much lower. In countries like Japan and China where there's greater social pressure to work cooperatively, the estimated rates vary between about .03% to .14%, far less than their counterparts in the Western world.

According to the book the United States has the fastest growing rate of antisocial behavior in the world (although no specific numbers are given). Our emphasis on individualism tends to both encourage sociopathy and makes it easier for them to hide among us. We tend to admire many of their traits, their risk-taking and daring natures.

Is this to say that individualism in itself is somehow wrong? Absolutely not, but it certainly demonstrates the need reevaluate the behaviors it may encourage.

Sociopaths can be a serious threat to our way of life. At times in history when many have risen in power we've seen the catastrophic results. So I think we need to work on better ways of detecting them among us. But let's say we find a fool-proof means of finding those among us without conscience, what is to be done with them?

There is no known "cure" for sociopathy, their brains simply work differently from the rest of us. Do we imprison them? Do we find some other way of sequestering them from society? Do we try to work with them, find a use for their lack on conscience? In the comments section I'll go more into detail about this, as well as something else mentioned in the book that deserves its own discussion.

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Date: 18/7/11 23:27 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] harry-beast.livejournal.com
Does the book bear out this claim with studies, or does it just assume that sociopaths would thrive in the military? From what I've seen, creepy, mentally unstable, kill-a-commie for mommie types don't have successful military careers.

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Date: 19/7/11 02:25 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] geezer-also.livejournal.com
Sociopaths I can deal with, I won't let in the JWs myself, a terrible way to ruin a Saturday morning.

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Date: 19/7/11 02:50 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] blue-mangos.livejournal.com
I don't even answer the door to them ;)

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Date: 19/7/11 04:00 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] allhatnocattle.livejournal.com
You are missing out on all the fun. Answer the door naked. Ask them for a light. Tell them about Jesus.

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Date: 19/7/11 18:44 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] underlankers.livejournal.com
George S. Patton, Stonewall Jackson, Phil Sheridan, and Georgi Zhukov might all disagree with that assertion.

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Date: 20/7/11 00:09 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] harry-beast.livejournal.com
Not one of them would argue against my statement.

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Date: 20/7/11 01:01 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] underlankers.livejournal.com
So their careers aren't militarily successful? They were all the kind of people you're describing, sociopaths and wackos who loved killing. And in every case they were among the most successful soldiers of their respective armies. Nathan Bedford Forrest and Erich von Manstein are also examples. Ulysses S. Grant and Bernard Montgomery are inversions.

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Date: 20/7/11 03:20 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] harry-beast.livejournal.com
By current social norms, they would probably be considered deficient in political correctness, passivity and touchy feeliness. They were products of their time and they were at war. Real war, serious war. So, sociopaths? No, I don't think so.

It's also important to note that they are dead.

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Date: 20/7/11 12:05 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] underlankers.livejournal.com
No, they'd actually be seen as the kind of guy soldiers tell "there was once this crazy bastard who" stories about. They're all dead, sure, but they were extremely successful because they adopted attitudes about war that would have fit right in with the followers of Khorne.

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Date: 20/7/11 18:15 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sandwichwarrior.livejournal.com
But at the same time those men you mentioned all had a very strict code to which they adheared.

You might call it a morality if it weren't quite so removed from the conventional sense of the term. In short, whether or not George Patton was truely a sociopath is up for debate .

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Date: 21/7/11 01:02 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] underlankers.livejournal.com
Some of them did. Forrest, not at all. Manstein, not at all.

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Date: 20/7/11 23:16 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] harry-beast.livejournal.com
Thanks for getting back to me with this information. I think that sociopaths and psychopaths show up in a variety of settings, and it makes sense, if you expand the definition of harm beyond physically attacking or killing people. Abusive managers and executives come to mind as an example. I googled "psychopath executive" and came up with some good reading material.
I wouldn't be surprised if many war criminals are sociopaths. It's hard to understand how people could commit torture, executions or genocide if there wasn't something seriously f'ed up in their heads.
From: [identity profile] montecristo.livejournal.com
Your black-hearted meanness is social pathology, mine, on the other hand, is righteous indignation and understandable defensive outrage...

Why does the military get a pass? Are we suggesting that sociopathology cannot or does not hide behind patriotism?
Thank You for Your Service? (http://lewrockwell.com/vance/vance250.html) by Laurence M. Vance
Imperial Priorities: Obedience First, Character Last (http://lewrockwell.com/grigg/grigg-w223.html) by William Norman Grigg

"It is without question that Americans are in love with the military. Even worse, though, is that their love is unqualified, unconditional, unrelenting, and unending."
Laurence M. Vance

I think our perverse love of violence, or bland indifference to it, when it is covered in patriotism and slathered with baseless references to "the collective security or interest" could easilly count as a form of mass sociopathology according to the criterion applied in this post.

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