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[dv8nation.livejournal.com]

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/15/us/15gay.html?_r=2&hp

California will become the first state to require public schools to teach gay and lesbian history.

As expected, Gov. Jerry Brown signed a bill on Thursday that mandates that the contributions of gays and lesbians in the state and the country be included in social science instruction and in textbooks. School districts will have until next January to begin implementing the new law, which was also promoted in part as a way to combat bullying of gay and lesbian students.


Well, now this is a surprise.After Prop 8 I was forced to revise my opinion on just how progressive California really was. But this makes me think that maybe things might not have been what I though. Sure, their will be opposition. But while this will take some time to fully kick in I think that the genie is out of the bottle and as California goes so goes the rest of the nation. However more slowly.

With this and the ruling against DADT it looks like gay rights is really picking up some steam.

Comments

[raichu100.livejournal.com]

Some Christians (mainly Catholics) choose to honor God with celibacy. That is a personal choice and does not mean that all Christians hate sex.

I've read the Gospel, more than once, but don't remember every single detail; do you mind citing where Jesus damned sex?

And I'm telling you that in Christianity, from my experience, sex is celebrated as a holy act to be practiced in marriage. I'm not just pulling this out of a hat, I'm telling you what I've read and experienced with a variety of people and sources as a Christian myself. Perhaps there are some Christians who are truly squicked out by sex, but by no means should you attempt to describe the entire faith that way, especially not with the sarcastic and offensive language that you chose to use.

[underlankers.livejournal.com]

Actually it does mean that. Jesus praised Eunuchs born for the Kingdom of Heaven, damned divorce (never homosexuality, and His attitude on divorce was far harsher than that of Rabbinic Judaism), admitted Heaven is sexless and chaste, claimed that merely looking at a woman was adultery, where the Rabbinic law was much less stringent and even Rabbi Shammai was less than that....there is no means to read Jesus's words and see anything positive about sex. And Paul is this up to 11, considering celibacy holy and recommending marriage only if you can't keep in your pants "as it is better to be married than to burn." Too, the 144,000 Jews of Revelation are considered holy and virgins. The Bible is very blunt that sex is evil. Now, what Christians write to justify being on their fourth marriage in a row sleeping with whores in diapers is a different story.

[raichu100.livejournal.com]

None of this proves how modern-day Christians "hate the mere existence of a sex drive."

[underlankers.livejournal.com]

Perhaps the confusion is one of doctrine v. practice? Because the Bible explicitly bans loans on interest but no Christians advocate to shut down insurance companies. Same principle, different ban.

[raichu100.livejournal.com]

Perhaps. However, your original comment - the one I took offense at - addressed a matter of neither doctrine nor practice, but rather of attitude.

[underlankers.livejournal.com]

No, it addressed doctrine, just not one the greedy philandering tax-evading 21st Century Evangelicals backing murderers in the Third World want to talk about. They'd rather circlejerk to their anti-gay cult.

[raichu100.livejournal.com]

"its resolute hatred of the mere existence of the sex drive."

That refers to an attitude. Not a doctrine, and not even a practice, but an attitude. Hatred is an attitude.

[underlankers.livejournal.com]

No, it refers to the writings of the influential Church fathers and thinkers which consider sex in general to be evil and icky. Hatred is too mild a term, some of them frankly verge into VHEMT territory.

[raichu100.livejournal.com]

That is an attitude. What they wrote reflects their ATTITUDE about sex. What about that is so hard to understand?

And some Christian writers and thinkers =/= all Christians. Yes, even if you are talking about Paul.