[identity profile] sophia-sadek.livejournal.com posting in [community profile] talkpolitics
This week in San Francisco, a small group of activists staged an action of civil disobedience in reaction to the shooting deaths of Charles Blair Hill and Oscar Grant by BART police. They disrupted commuter traffic on the transit system and prompted police to temporarily shut down some stations. This might be considered an act of terrorism, but the greatest fear it instilled was the fear that one of the activists might get hurt or the fear of being late for dinner. The arrest count was astonishing.

Leftist activism today is a very different animal than activism in the late sixties and early seventies. In those days, vandalism was a primary feature of action. The nature of the vandalism became more severe as the activists spiraled into an abyss of frustration and despair. It reached its greatest depth with bank robberies, hijackings, kidnappings, bombings and assassinations. The Left at its worst was a mere shadow of the Right at its greatest glory.

Protesters make me late for dinner.

Discussion of leftist terrorism during the early seventies prompted the question of whether or not neural wave weaponry was used at the time. One of our military participants sternly insisted that it was not possible because the recent timing of the research upon which the weapons technology is based. Another participant pointed out that the current weaponry is a refinement of pre-existing technology. The recent research allows for a greater degree of motor control. The older technology was limited to inducing muscle spasms. This could easily have been developed during the fifties and sixties given the level of radar technology of the times. The more evidence that was put forward for the use of neural wave interference on leftist activists, the more adamant the assertions to the contrary on the part of the military representative. Me thinks ye doth protest too much.

The violence of leftist extremists during the seventies did not promote the cause of progress. Instead, it fed the beast that it purported to oppose. It inspired a resurgence in retrograde thought and activity. It turned people off to the idea of moving forward and promoted a bunker brain mindset in the rank and file of society. One could argue that leftist violence is actually a manifestation of right wing pollution in the minds of progressive thinkers.

As for the more recent BART police atrocity, the perpetrator was clearly poorly trained, inept and cowardly. He used deadly force in a scenario that called for a cooler head. I did not participate in the protest action, but I agree with their moral outrage.



What do you think? Does leftist terrorism exist, or is it reactionary?

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Date: 14/7/11 15:54 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] underlankers.livejournal.com
Yes, these days the only really violent ones are the eco-terrorists who do things like hostage-taking and firebombing research labs. 1991 pretty much killed communism dead, though in 30 years we'll probably see commie relics like the periodic busts of latter-day fascist terrorists before they kill people in great numbers.

Domestic terrorism if anything in the USA has been a bipartisan thing. Right-Wingers just happen to be the ones who intend to kill people as opposed to blowing shit up. The worst acts of domestic terrorism, at Harper's Ferry, in Times Square, they have been left-wing. Domestic terrorism is not something either side has a monopoly on. There will always be murderous sonsobitches who try to make names for themselves in the OBL fashion, some of whom are US citizens doing that to other US citizens.

Re: Victims of...

Date: 14/7/11 19:11 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sandwichwarrior.livejournal.com
All that means is that the right-wingers tend to be better at handling guns and explosives.

You also seem to be convieniently Ignoring folks like ALF/ELF (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth_Liberation_Front), Ted Kaczynski (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Kaczynski), James Lee (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discovery_Communications_headquarters_hostage_crisis), and the inumerable riots that follow every WTO or G8 meeting.

Re: Victims of...

Date: 14/7/11 21:48 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sandwichwarrior.livejournal.com
From a political standpoint, please state your definitions of left and right.

Re: Victims of...

Date: 14/7/11 20:27 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] underlankers.livejournal.com
Fairly sure that Mario Buda's victims might disagree with that assertion. But that's OK, we know that real Leftists, just like real any-ismists never kill people. Just the fake ones do.

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Date: 14/7/11 15:56 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rasilio.livejournal.com
Neural wave weaponry?


BWAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH


yeah right, the only neural wave weaponry in existence has been around longer than the human race and only works on about 2/3rds of the species, a pair of bouncing boobies.

Re: Good point.

Date: 14/7/11 16:12 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] htpcl.livejournal.com
That's the first thing I thought about, too!

Re: Good point.

Date: 14/7/11 17:50 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] a-new-machine.livejournal.com
Seriously, man, they have blue feet but all people laugh at is the name...

Re: Good point.

Date: 14/7/11 20:09 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] htpcl.livejournal.com
Foot-and-mouth disease??

Re: Good point.

Date: 14/7/11 21:41 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] htpcl.livejournal.com
And what does this have to do with boobies?

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Date: 14/7/11 16:16 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] blue-mangos.livejournal.com
I liked the original image better ;)

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Date: 14/7/11 16:16 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] malasadas.livejournal.com
Got some hotlinking problems there.

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Date: 14/7/11 16:20 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] blue-mangos.livejournal.com
So the reference to sadandlonely.com wasn't the intentional joke?

Re: She mispronounced...

Date: 14/7/11 17:52 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] a-new-machine.livejournal.com
The entire point of the Lovecraftian names is that they are unfit for human mouths, and thus lend themselves to dozens or hundreds of different interpretations, because all are approximating something they can only barely begin to understand, much less imitate.

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Date: 14/7/11 17:17 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] soliloquy76.livejournal.com
<3 Veronica Belmont

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Date: 14/7/11 16:09 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] debergerac.livejournal.com
this is sad. the real left-wingers would be so ashamed at what you've become.

Re: What constitutes...

Date: 15/7/11 00:44 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] debergerac.livejournal.com
just because mao has an epicanthic fold doesn't mean he doesn't have tear ducts...

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Date: 14/7/11 16:46 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thies.livejournal.com
destruction of capitalistic symbols, usually under the banner of general protests organized by leftist organizations, seems quite common and internationally wide spread. While usually not advancing to bodily harm of opponents (although police officers tend to get beaten up to some degree) I think it can be considered terrorism.

Re: Sounds...

Date: 14/7/11 17:02 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thies.livejournal.com
I bet if you'd ask the perpetrators there will be opposition to that label.

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Date: 14/7/11 20:02 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dark-weezing.livejournal.com
I think David Guy McKay and Bradley Neil Crowder would qualify, considering their plans to bomb the RNC convention in 2008. And as a non-threatening version, Code Pink almost succeeded in storming the stage when Sarah Palin was doing her famous speech.

Daily Caller has a good profile on Brandon Darby, who stopped the McKay/Crowder bombing, if anyone is interested. (Since Daily Caller is center-right, I'll put a "your mileage may vary" disclaimer up for some of you, and you can research the rest on your own.) It also has a fun double standard observation, in light of the "Better This World" documentary, which had, shall we say, a different take on the bombers, themselves:

http://dailycaller.com/2010/01/13/brandon-darby-foiled-terror-attack-but-the-men-convicted-of-plotting-against-2008-republican-convention-win-recognition/

I'm with underlankers, in that the Right or Left doesn't have exclusive ness on violence. (And there is that lovely strain of eco-terrorism, like the ELFs.) However, after the Tucson shooting, well, how quick was Sarah Palin or Rush Limbaugh or anyone else on the Right blamed or implied they were indirectly responsible? And then, turned out, the guy was just apolitically crazy and hated Giffords long beforehand.

Nevertheless, we now live in a hysterical time, and becoming a politically hysterical time, at that. Either way, or it is the natural evolution of humanity and politics. How about that?

Re: Code Pink...

Date: 14/7/11 20:35 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dark-weezing.livejournal.com
I'll certainly concede that they have become irrelevant by themselves. However, would you say the same thing if the right-wing equivalent of CP (if there is one) had done any of the same things? Just asking.

Frankly, I didn't even know Code Pink or the two bombers did what they did until two years later. Whereas, if the reverse occurred, well, I'm sure I'd hear about it. And to be condemned on both sides, as it ought to be.

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Date: 15/7/11 03:33 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] anfalicious.livejournal.com
When civil disobedience is being called terrorism, the terrorists have won.

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Date: 15/7/11 07:28 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mikeyxw.livejournal.com
Naw, when terrorists win, their acts of terrorism are called civil disobedience, not the other way around.

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