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talkpoliticsAnd so it begins:
I'm in favor of gay marriage for the same reason I'm in favor of legal polygamy, legalized adult incest, and all the rest - the state really shouldn't be telling anyone else who they can and cannot be in a recognized relationship with, full stop. Unfortunately, I've found that many who agree with gay marriage do not feel the same way about these other types of adult relationships.
Why is it that "equal marriage" only exists for many when it deals with their idea of reality? Should hardcore advocates of gay marriage be lining up behind the Brown family in solidarity and support of their situation? If you believe the US Constitution allows for, if not outright mandates, gay marriage, do you feel the same way here?
Kody Brown is a proud polygamist, and a relatively famous one. Now Mr. Brown, his four wives and 16 children and stepchildren are going to court to keep from being punished for it.
The family is the focus of a reality TV show, “Sister Wives,” that first appeared in 2010. Law enforcement officials in the Browns’ home state, Utah, announced soon after the show began that the family was under investigation for violating the state law prohibiting polygamy.
On Wednesday, the Browns are expected to file a lawsuit to challenge the polygamy law.
The lawsuit is not demanding that states recognize polygamous marriage. Instead, the lawsuit builds on a 2003 United States Supreme Court decision, Lawrence v. Texas, which struck down state sodomy laws as unconstitutional intrusions on the “intimate conduct” of consenting adults.
I'm in favor of gay marriage for the same reason I'm in favor of legal polygamy, legalized adult incest, and all the rest - the state really shouldn't be telling anyone else who they can and cannot be in a recognized relationship with, full stop. Unfortunately, I've found that many who agree with gay marriage do not feel the same way about these other types of adult relationships.
Why is it that "equal marriage" only exists for many when it deals with their idea of reality? Should hardcore advocates of gay marriage be lining up behind the Brown family in solidarity and support of their situation? If you believe the US Constitution allows for, if not outright mandates, gay marriage, do you feel the same way here?
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Date: 14/7/11 03:23 (UTC)What about State Constitution
Date: 14/7/11 03:30 (UTC)I just wish they would stop dragging these social issues into the political sphere.
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Date: 14/7/11 04:58 (UTC)Also, The reality is that men will always be forced to compete for wome
The countries in pink are the ones with more women than men.
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Date: 14/7/11 10:43 (UTC)But, good point, if people are commonly mistaking polygamy for polygyny then it's worth pointing out their error.
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Date: 14/7/11 12:39 (UTC)I clicked on it. Where a condom......over your whole body.
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Date: 14/7/11 14:45 (UTC)"This week’s Newsweek reports more than 500,000 polyamorous households in the U.S."
Now they are not all plural marriages, but most if not all of them would be open to forming one.
http://proclus.tripod.com/radical/faq.htm
"How many Polygamists are there in Utah?
About 60,000 "
So, half a million households with an average of somewhere over 2 members each are Polyamorous, and 60,000 are mormon polygamists.
From anectdotal evidence (I'm not sure anyone has ever studied it) the Christian Polygamy movement is about the same size as the Mormon one, so about 60,000 there and maybe another 60,000 Muslim polygamists.
All totaled that is somewhere between 175,000 and 200,000 religious polygamists out of somewhere over a million polyamorists
These numbers are all rough estimates because no one has ever been able to do an in depth study of any of these groups because most of them are deeply in the closet for fear of losing their jobs, freedom, and or kids as a result of their life choices but the numbers generally match what I see after having been a part of the Polyamorous community for the last 20 years.
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Date: 14/7/11 14:50 (UTC)""Polygamy" is more often used to refer to codified forms of multiple marriage (especially those with a traditional/religious basis), while "modern polyamory" or "egalitarian polyamory" implies a relationship defined by negotiation between its members, rather than by cultural norms. Egalitarian polyamory is culturally rooted in such concepts as choice and individuality, rather than in religious traditions.
Egalitarian polyamory is more closely associated with values, subcultures and ideologies that favor individual freedoms and equality in sexual matters – most notably, those reflected by sexual freedom advocacy groups such as Woodhull Freedom Foundation & Federation, NCSF and ACLU.[21] However, polygamy advocacy groups and activists and egalitarian polyamory advocacy groups and activists can and do work together cooperatively. In addition, the two sub-communities have many common issues (poly parenting, dealing with jealousy, legal and social discrimination, etc.), the discussion and resolution of which are of equal interest to both sub-communities, regardless of any cultural differences that may exist. Moreover, there is considerable cultural diversity within both sub-communities. Religiously motivated polygamy has its Islamic, Mormon fundamentalist, Christian Plural Marriage, Jewish[22] and other varieties; similarly, some egalitarian polyamorists have cultural ties to Naturism, Neo-Pagans,[23] BDSM, Modern Tantra,[24] and other special interest groups. For example, egalitarian polyamory and BDSM often face similar challenges (e.g. negotiating the ground rules for unconventional relationships, or the question of coming out to family and friends), and the cross-pollination of ideas takes place between the two.[25]"
It is not the plural marriage that leads to the control of women, it is the patriarchal religious context that leads to it regardless of how many partners are allowed in the marriage.
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Date: 14/7/11 14:56 (UTC)I never heard of anyone every being arrested for marijuanna here. But you Americans are just crazy about enforcing your drug laws.
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