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Tim Pawlenty's table after he was glitter bombed.

Michelle Bachmann (in Minneapolis on June 18, 2011) has been the most recent in a series of glitter-bomb incidents, following Tim Pawlenty (at a book signing in San Francisco on June 16, 2011), and Newt Gingrich (at a book signing in Minneapolis, Minnesota on May 17, 2011). In Pawlenty's incident, The Los Angeles Times points out that, as governor, Pawlenty vetoed a bill that would have granted gay men and women the right to the remains of their deceased partners. Regarding a bill that would have allowed domestic partners to sue in wrongful death cases, Pawlenty said, "I oppose efforts to treat domestic relationships as the equivalent of traditional marriage. Accordingly, I am opposed to this bill.” As she was being escorted out by San Francisco police, Code Pink campaigner and glitter thrower Nancy Mancias said, “Where’s your courage to stand for gay rights and for women’s reproductive rights?” adding, “Welcome to San Francisco!”



Former possible Republican candidate, and Baptist minister Mike Huckabee believes the attackers should be prosecuted for assault charges. But as Frances Martel notes in a feature about the first two attacks:


There are several interesting elements to this demand to have the glitterers arrested. On one hand, everything you need to know about Newt Gingrich’s popularity is said in the fact that, while the entire party pointed and laughed when Gingrich got glittered, but the second one of the tiny slivers of metallic paper touched a hair on Pawlenty’s head, Huckabee called for police action (this could, of course, also speak to the lack of popularity of Code Pink, the copycat organization that targeted Pawlenty).

Then there’s the fact that neither candidate was touched by their glitter assailants, though the legal definition of battery (not assault, but no need to split hairs) requires only unlawful or offensive touching caused by the attacker, but does not require said touching to occur between the body of the attacker and that of the victim. It is difficult, however, to see the glitter attacks as battery in a criminal way given the relationship between the bodies of the attacker and victim– no one was punched or directly contacted– and the actual glitter, which touched the victims but did not quite reach the attacker. While these physical relations make no difference in the case of, say, a bullet leaving an attacker’s gun and touching a victim’s body, arguing that glitter should be held to the same standard is a difficult optical argument to make.


One right wing website suggests the the attacks were "organized," ** but a cursory look at the videos shows at least one or both are copy-cat follow-ups to the 1st incident with Newt Gingrich (which used silver glitter/confetti, not the trade mark pink). The only "organizing" element is an invitation at the end of the video clips that if people want to participate, they're directed to a URL for further information.

Or course, the question about security at these events has been raised, and I think that's a fair one. It was Robert Kennedy's assassination in June 1968, after winning the critical Democratic California primary that finally led Congress to expand Secret Service protection to presidential candidates.* But the law stipulates only 120 days prior to the general election. And when the law was originally passed, the process for running for president was much much shorter, and it's also quantitatively different. Running for president seems now to be a gimmick for many candidates to promote their books and other trinkets and lend themselves some ability to command higher speech fees with the use of "presidential candidate". So now you could potentially have up to a dozen presidential hopefuls in the Republican field, the Secret Service resources would be taxed beyond its limits.

I could see where some would say it's risky to charge a presidential candidate (other than giving them money ;), and I'm not sure I could ever do something like this. I think most supporters for gay marriage and gay rights would encourage more positive ways to bring about full equality for all American citizens. But some consider this as a legitimate form of non-violent protest, and it's certainly a lot less aggressive than pieing.


POLL TIME!!!



[Poll #1754336]


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* (Public Law 90-331). Congress also authorized protection of widows of presidents until death, or remarriage, and their children until age 16.

** Some of the comments following that article are an absolute hoot to read. Check out "Hawk": "this better stop OR I WILL DO THE SAME TO EVERY dEM IN OFFICE ! EVERY CHANCE I GET AND THEN THEY TREAT ME DIFFERENT THE FIGHT WILL BE ON !" or how about "American1st": "notice to all politicians if you see glitter coming your way yell GUN – GUN!!! ITS AN ASSASSIN!!!
as loud as you can then watch the fun unfold…" Heh. Someone getting glittered? NOT FUNNY. Someone getting shot? HIGH-LARIOUS.

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Date: 21/6/11 20:40 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mahnmut.livejournal.com
The Glitter terriztz strike again! How much longer will the freedom loving Americans put up with this outrage!?!?!?11one!11eleventyone

We demand that these pink-sprinkling barbarians repent without further delay, and substitute those horrendous glitter bombs with good old-school cakes NOW! (And I DO mean delicious cakes!)

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Date: 21/6/11 20:42 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] luzribeiro.livejournal.com
Pie. You mean pie. Nice, cream, fruit, pie. With lots of coconut, and kiwi, and... OH MY.

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That's a motion I'd wholeheartedly support.
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Poll:

Date: 21/6/11 20:44 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] meus-ovatio.livejournal.com
All of the above.

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Date: 21/6/11 20:57 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rasilio.livejournal.com
Where is the all of the above option?


Well except the pink glitter part, that is just discriminatory, they should be more inclusive and use rainbow colored glitter.

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Date: 22/6/11 18:51 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yes-justice.livejournal.com
Counter protest!

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Date: 21/6/11 20:59 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vnsplshr.livejournal.com
Stooopid invasion of personal space.

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Date: 21/6/11 21:00 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rasilio.livejournal.com
Oh yeah, I want to add, for any Republican candidates who havn't been glittered, you really should start walking around with some glitter of your own or maybe a bottle of silly string or some such and when the eventual glitter terrorist attacks you attack them right back and turn it into a game and show you have a sense of humor.

Do this and you will simultaneously disarm their message and criticism of you and gain at least a 5 - 10 point jump in the polls for being "cool" and having a sense of humor.

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Date: 21/6/11 21:03 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ddstory.livejournal.com
any Republican candidates ... have a sense of humor

BAHAHA! Oooh, nice one!

They really do have! :)))

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Date: 21/6/11 21:12 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jonathankorman.livejournal.com
I eagerly await commentary from Noël Godin, anarchist father of the protest pie. (http://www.raptorial.com/HOF/X0029_GODIN.html)
“Permit me to recommend the bomb threat,” Noël Godin said, pouring China tea from a delicate pot. “One little phone call, and it never fails. There are,” he went on, “a thousand forms of subversion, all of them interesting. But few, in my opinion, can equal the convenience and immediacy of the cream pie.”
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the author and provocateur is widely feared in France and Belgium where, under the synonym of Georges Le Gloupier, he has taken to assaulting prestigious thinkers, media figures and politicians with cream cakes. When Godin speaks, hardly a minute passes without the use of the verb entarter, which roughly translates as “to flan”.
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The first five seconds after the delivery of a flan, Noël Godin believes, offer a stark revelation of a victim's real character. Jean-Luc Godard, for instance, accepted his projectile with good grace and later intervened to stop his assailant being banned for life from the Cannes festival. “Accurately delivered, a cream pie is an uncannily precise barometer of human nature,” Godin argued. “If Levy, for example, could once respond with humour or self-deprecation, he would immediately defuse the process and turn the whole business in his favour.”
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His surprising popularity, Godin says, is the result of his careful vetting of targets, who tend to be figures with a limited sense of irony at their own expense.
I myself think the change from pie to glitter is a fine innovation.

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Date: 21/6/11 21:21 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mahnmut.livejournal.com
Interesting, if he's the father, then who is the mother? That ought to be known...

Damn, I'm being silly. Must be because of all the coconut-lemon-pie abstinence (see above).

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A childish political stun appropriate for the age of childish political activism.

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Date: 21/6/11 21:45 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ddstory.livejournal.com
I kinda pity those who've completely buried the child in themselves somewhere between their limitless ego and the desire to look as if they're taking life way too seriously.

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Date: 21/6/11 21:56 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fizzyland.livejournal.com
/puts down box of glitter-rocks

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Date: 21/6/11 22:00 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bex.livejournal.com
My only problem with this is the whole "glittery, fabulous gay" stereotype. I guess the homosexual rights issue has to be boiled down into something simple and representative, but it sure doesn't resonate with lots of gay people I know. My dad wants to marry his partner, and he's a well-paid global director of a large company - pink glitter doesn't really represent him (okay, maybe on weekends).

I know it's about reclaiming these symbols and embracing them and so on, I just worry that furthering the stereotype of the "fabulous", flamboyant gay could have unintended consequences.

Other than that, glitter-bomb away!

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Date: 21/6/11 22:22 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] malasadas.livejournal.com
I'm not a particular fan of this kind of statement activism, but given the actual deep material harm people like Pawlenty and Bachmann have actually done or tried to do to gay people, they should consider themselves lucky that they are targetted solely by harmless piles of glitter. Pawlenty's veto probably inspired some people to consider warm feces as an alternative medium.

And when it comes to gays, Bachmann is genuinely unhinged. (http://jezebel.com/5812099/the-time-michele-bachmann-thought-shed-been-kidnapped-by-lesbians)

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Date: 21/6/11 23:20 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] paedraggaidin.livejournal.com
I hope upon hope that, if by some freakish alignment of the stars Bachmann gets the GOP nomination, people repeat that story (and all the other crazy crap) over and over and over again.

Because, Good Lord...it gives new meaning to the term "gay panic."
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Date: 21/6/11 22:53 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] raichu100.livejournal.com
lol arrest for assault for throwing glitter? really??

I think it's funny. And they need to get over themselves, f'realz.

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Date: 22/6/11 02:28 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] existentme.livejournal.com
I definitely predict a law on the books within the half-year.

And if you bring that glitter across some state line, then you're looking at a federal crime. And if the bombed is already an "official," it gets even worse.

This will happen.

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Date: 21/6/11 23:05 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rick-day.livejournal.com
I'd like to see the GOP candidates walk up to groups of gays and throw red white and blue glitter on them.

Then they all form conga lines!

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Date: 21/6/11 23:09 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] paedraggaidin.livejournal.com

There's a place I know
If your lookin' for a show
Where they go hardcore
And there's glitter on the floor


But...I'm not so sure these things are a good idea. Sure, it makes for a ton of publicity, and making stuffy gay-bashers look stupid with proverbial (or not) egg on their face is always satisfying on some level, but it comes back to the question of what it actually does to advance gay rights. Things like this, or ridiculously provocative gay pride parades, are doing far more harm than good to the gay rights movement. They make us look silly and petty, and only serve to advance the pernicious stereotype that all LGBT people are childish, flamboyant weirdos out to force society to applaud their perverted lifestyle and who want to make kids gay at school. People actually believe that nonsense, and this does nothing but reinforce it.

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Date: 21/6/11 23:58 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] devil-ad-vocate.livejournal.com
I can't keep up with all the GOP candidates for Prez. We may suffer a national glitter shortage.

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Date: 22/6/11 18:41 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yes-justice.livejournal.com
The glitter industrial complex is up to the task.

There is no option...

Date: 22/6/11 00:58 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sophia-sadek.livejournal.com
I would have taken the poll, but there was no entry for Henry David Thoreau's position.

They should be arrested and tried so that they can earn their prison time brownie points.

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Date: 23/6/11 00:45 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sandwichwarrior.livejournal.com
It feels weird that we would both have the same initial reaction.

Either you are saner than you let on or I'm crazier.

That, or it could just be a fantastic coincidence.

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Date: 22/6/11 02:21 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] oportet.livejournal.com
I don't see it as an effective means for change, but it should sharpen up the security detail of any politicians hit by it - so it isn't all bad.

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Date: 22/6/11 03:09 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dreadfulpenny81.livejournal.com
It's idiotic and pointless. Throwing glitter on someone isn't going to change their mind about how to view rights for same-sex couples...unless maybe the glitter is laced with roofies or something.

Both sides in the gay rights argument are messed up, Republicans because they're not allowing the same rights to same-sex couples as they are to hetero couples and Democrats because they're "champions" for gay rights, yet the majority of them support Palestine, a country that issues barbaric punishments to those in the LGBT community and their supporters.

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Date: 22/6/11 05:44 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] root-fu.livejournal.com
I'm surprised glitter bombers escape without obligatory waterboarding and burning of their holy book.

Who is to say glitter doesn't contain anthrax or another weapon of mass destruction!

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Date: 22/6/11 08:40 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] luzribeiro.livejournal.com
On the other hand, it could contain laughing gas or some other weapon of mass exaltation!

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Date: 22/6/11 12:20 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jlc20thmaine.livejournal.com
So when one of there glitternazis tries this stunt again, and security shoots and kills them, will the left demand restrictions on glitter?

Anyway, I just love how the left demonstrates how tolerant and civil they are.

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Date: 22/6/11 13:01 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] swb1212.livejournal.com
Anyway, I just love how the left demonstrates how tolerant and civil they are.


I actually agree that it isn't a good idea because of security reasons, but how does this make the left intolerant. Is protesting bigots intolerant? Are people who protest the KKK intolerant?

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Date: 22/6/11 18:31 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yes-justice.livejournal.com
I hope politicians start preparations for retaliation. Prepare hidden glitter and lighting in campaign colors. When the glitter bomber bombs, they are immediate inundated with a huge amount a pre-prepared counter-glitter and the lighting changes to lasers and everyone dances!

Everybody Dance Now!

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