Ok, I am a good deal older than most people here, I guess, and I have seen a lot of changes in my life. I have seen the Berlin Wall come down, I have seen Nelson Mandela become President of South Africa, I have seen America send a man to the moon, and even send a black man to the White House. All of which, other people told me, would never happen at all - ever, never in my lifetime.
It has happened, though, and I remember that back in the days when all this seemed impossible, that a man named Martin Luther King said “ I have a dream”. That man clearly spelled out a vision he had for America – he saw a day when black children and white children could and would go to school together and live in harmony. And that is what I mean when I talk about ‘having vision’ – it isn’t just seeing things as they are, but seeing how it could be and envisioning better alternatives.
What we have at loose in the world right now is something they call ‘ the patriarchy’ – it’s ‘the rule of the fathers’, where we make the assumption that middle aged men know best and will rule the world for the benefit of all. And that is a lie and we need something better.
First, let me explain why it’s a lie. In America, and in England, you often hear it said that ‘all men are born equal’, and similar sentiments. But, when you ask how come you don’t get to have a job, or a decent home, or even a roof over your head, you get told ‘this does not apply to you - because you are not ‘a real man’" – if you happen to be female, you do the same work for less money. If you are black, or gay, you get less respect. You may get more respect for being a black man than a black woman, but no, you still are not equal to a white man. Patriarchy or British / American society does not take care of everyone, only some. Whatever you want, if you are not wealthy enough, they always find some excuse to take it off you.
People might say to me “you are male, white and straight – so you must be doing ok.”
Well, I guess I am better off than a black lesbian, but no, I am not ‘doing ok’, thanks very much. I grew up in poverty because my dad was allowed to get drunk and the law said that my mother could be paid less money for doing the same job as a man. It also said that he had the right to come home and beat her up because she was his property.
As I see it, the law has done me no favours and the system has done me and my mother a great deal of harm. It never protected either of us from my father’s violent outbursts.
The law, the system, the patriarchy, only really looks after the Social Elite. It pays off the poor white man with a bit of power, a lick of the gruel and the crumbs that fall from the table, to oppress the black man and the white woman and keep them both ‘in their places’ – but the meat, the peas and rich, thick gravy – the lion’s share of the world’s wealth, that goes to the men who run the system, the really wealthy – who all happen to be white, and straight, and filthy rich.
Clearly, if I was to get anything out of life, I had a stark choice – become like them, or take up arms against the system and overturn it. I chose the latter course, but if you are going to overthrow an entire system, you need something to replace it with.
The problem with Thatcherism is that Thatcher said that “anyone who finds himself on a bus after the age of 25 must consider himself a failure”. See, for her, it was all about being an exploitative and oppressive Alpha. She was a taker, not a giver or a sharer. she was not for me.
The first real revolt against this idea of ‘Patriarchy’ was the women who wanted the same rights as men. ‘First Wave’ feminists were, in the main, women like Virginia Wolfe and Susan B . Anthony – middle class, educated and not happy to be mere toys for men to play with , but who insisted on being taken seriously as people in their own right – and quite right too. They wanted nothing for themselves that men did not already have. They wanted the right to vote and to have their own property and earnings.
No reasonable person could deny the logic of their case. But very soon after them, there came along another ‘wave’ of feminist thinking. I don’t know how far it stretched, or whether American women considered themselves a part of it, but suddenly, there were women in the UK who called themselves ‘ Feminists ‘ who camped outside Greenham Common. This was a US airbase in Berkshire that housed nuclear missiles, and the idea was that they camped outside the base in protest at them being there.
They also said that they considered nuclear weapons to be a part of ‘Man’s domination of Nature’, and were against this in all its forms. They were against male violence against women and children. Against the exploitation of the earth and its natural resources, against the oppression of other people for profit. To be honest, there was a lot that I agreed with.
Yet, they made it clear that this was a women’s camp. Ok, it was their show, they got there first I said, so let them run it. But where did they see men in their vision of the new world they wanted to bring about? Apparently, a lot of them thought that lesbianism was the only way to be – sex, in itself, was exploitative.
My mother was not a lesbian, but was very much influenced by the ideas being put about at the time by these women and others like them, i recall her telling me that “all men are bastards” and that she felt that the only way that anyone could get on in life was treading on other people. I think that in time , her views altered in so far as she said that ‘ all men were either wimps or bastards’ – but still there was no real alternative, no room in her ideology for a man to be a fair minded , decently behaved human being.
Personally, I disagreed then and disagree now. A lot of women left the Greenham Camp and its squalor and returned to their families – because not all men are violent drunkards who beat their wives. I think I went on to be a better person than my father ever was( which did not take much , to be honest) but my mum is still in denial about things .
Yes, we need an agenda for change; we need political and social reform, but one that can be managed by a proper political party that accepts men and women as equal partners for change and does not treat women as inferiors or only have a role for men as being the exploitative and oppressive enemy. And for me, this agenda is only found in Green politics.
Only the Greens have the realisation that the system is wrong, that it harms everyone, and that it needs replacing with something better. They provide a vision for humanity that is workable and inclusive. it's time we started working for a world that works for everyone , not just the lucky few, born to wealthy parents in rich countries. For me, the Greenham Camp women were not so much ' pro-women' as merely 'anti-men'.
Greens accept that there are positive things tha we can all do to look after the earth and each other. Green politics sets out a radical agenda for political and social change that embraces such diverse fields as housing, education and finance. It has vision for a real and achievable alternative.
It has happened, though, and I remember that back in the days when all this seemed impossible, that a man named Martin Luther King said “ I have a dream”. That man clearly spelled out a vision he had for America – he saw a day when black children and white children could and would go to school together and live in harmony. And that is what I mean when I talk about ‘having vision’ – it isn’t just seeing things as they are, but seeing how it could be and envisioning better alternatives.
What we have at loose in the world right now is something they call ‘ the patriarchy’ – it’s ‘the rule of the fathers’, where we make the assumption that middle aged men know best and will rule the world for the benefit of all. And that is a lie and we need something better.
First, let me explain why it’s a lie. In America, and in England, you often hear it said that ‘all men are born equal’, and similar sentiments. But, when you ask how come you don’t get to have a job, or a decent home, or even a roof over your head, you get told ‘this does not apply to you - because you are not ‘a real man’" – if you happen to be female, you do the same work for less money. If you are black, or gay, you get less respect. You may get more respect for being a black man than a black woman, but no, you still are not equal to a white man. Patriarchy or British / American society does not take care of everyone, only some. Whatever you want, if you are not wealthy enough, they always find some excuse to take it off you.
People might say to me “you are male, white and straight – so you must be doing ok.”
Well, I guess I am better off than a black lesbian, but no, I am not ‘doing ok’, thanks very much. I grew up in poverty because my dad was allowed to get drunk and the law said that my mother could be paid less money for doing the same job as a man. It also said that he had the right to come home and beat her up because she was his property.
As I see it, the law has done me no favours and the system has done me and my mother a great deal of harm. It never protected either of us from my father’s violent outbursts.
The law, the system, the patriarchy, only really looks after the Social Elite. It pays off the poor white man with a bit of power, a lick of the gruel and the crumbs that fall from the table, to oppress the black man and the white woman and keep them both ‘in their places’ – but the meat, the peas and rich, thick gravy – the lion’s share of the world’s wealth, that goes to the men who run the system, the really wealthy – who all happen to be white, and straight, and filthy rich.
Clearly, if I was to get anything out of life, I had a stark choice – become like them, or take up arms against the system and overturn it. I chose the latter course, but if you are going to overthrow an entire system, you need something to replace it with.
The problem with Thatcherism is that Thatcher said that “anyone who finds himself on a bus after the age of 25 must consider himself a failure”. See, for her, it was all about being an exploitative and oppressive Alpha. She was a taker, not a giver or a sharer. she was not for me.
The first real revolt against this idea of ‘Patriarchy’ was the women who wanted the same rights as men. ‘First Wave’ feminists were, in the main, women like Virginia Wolfe and Susan B . Anthony – middle class, educated and not happy to be mere toys for men to play with , but who insisted on being taken seriously as people in their own right – and quite right too. They wanted nothing for themselves that men did not already have. They wanted the right to vote and to have their own property and earnings.
No reasonable person could deny the logic of their case. But very soon after them, there came along another ‘wave’ of feminist thinking. I don’t know how far it stretched, or whether American women considered themselves a part of it, but suddenly, there were women in the UK who called themselves ‘ Feminists ‘ who camped outside Greenham Common. This was a US airbase in Berkshire that housed nuclear missiles, and the idea was that they camped outside the base in protest at them being there.
They also said that they considered nuclear weapons to be a part of ‘Man’s domination of Nature’, and were against this in all its forms. They were against male violence against women and children. Against the exploitation of the earth and its natural resources, against the oppression of other people for profit. To be honest, there was a lot that I agreed with.
Yet, they made it clear that this was a women’s camp. Ok, it was their show, they got there first I said, so let them run it. But where did they see men in their vision of the new world they wanted to bring about? Apparently, a lot of them thought that lesbianism was the only way to be – sex, in itself, was exploitative.
My mother was not a lesbian, but was very much influenced by the ideas being put about at the time by these women and others like them, i recall her telling me that “all men are bastards” and that she felt that the only way that anyone could get on in life was treading on other people. I think that in time , her views altered in so far as she said that ‘ all men were either wimps or bastards’ – but still there was no real alternative, no room in her ideology for a man to be a fair minded , decently behaved human being.
Personally, I disagreed then and disagree now. A lot of women left the Greenham Camp and its squalor and returned to their families – because not all men are violent drunkards who beat their wives. I think I went on to be a better person than my father ever was( which did not take much , to be honest) but my mum is still in denial about things .
Yes, we need an agenda for change; we need political and social reform, but one that can be managed by a proper political party that accepts men and women as equal partners for change and does not treat women as inferiors or only have a role for men as being the exploitative and oppressive enemy. And for me, this agenda is only found in Green politics.
Only the Greens have the realisation that the system is wrong, that it harms everyone, and that it needs replacing with something better. They provide a vision for humanity that is workable and inclusive. it's time we started working for a world that works for everyone , not just the lucky few, born to wealthy parents in rich countries. For me, the Greenham Camp women were not so much ' pro-women' as merely 'anti-men'.
Greens accept that there are positive things tha we can all do to look after the earth and each other. Green politics sets out a radical agenda for political and social change that embraces such diverse fields as housing, education and finance. It has vision for a real and achievable alternative.
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Date: 16/6/11 06:05 (UTC)In other times and maybe inother places, he would have been locked in a police cell and faced a certain amount of public dissapproval at least.
Perhaps he may have been deemed a case for psychiatric treatment to re habilitate him - but that never happened. As I say, he was alllowed to regularly get drunk and nobody important enough thought that this was a problem.
You have to remember that the people who make society's rules do so with an eye to their own particular interests.
Some placed don't allow you in unless you are a scientist or an engineer or at laest someone with a good trade who can help build their fair nation - the canadians and Australians are a bit like that.
But britain back in the 50s and 60 was willing to invite a lot of unskilled black people - because they wanted a lot of cheap labour, not because it would help poor jamaicans have a better life, but rather it would help rich brits out of jam.
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Date: 16/6/11 06:21 (UTC)Treating citizenship as a privilage and not right? Wanting immigrants with education and skills as opposed to those who don't? HORROR!
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Date: 16/6/11 06:41 (UTC)They also said that they considered nuclear weapons to be a part of ‘Man’s domination of Nature’, and were against this in all its forms.
This reminded me of the nuns who painted nuclear missiles with menstrual blood (http://www.iol.co.za/news/world/nuns-attack-us-weapons-of-mass-destruction-1.104233).
my mum is still in denial about things .
After what she's been through, I can hardly blame her.
And was it Tim Leary who said that women who desire equality with men lack ambition.
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Date: 16/6/11 06:58 (UTC)And was it Tim Leary who said that women who desire equality with men lack ambition.
And yet women who say that men are either wimps or bastards are not 'seeking equality' but putting men down.
Sorry, but my dad's freinds were not a good example, but neither myself nor my brother are drunken wifebeaters and the people that we hang out with, and the people on my wife's side of the family are all pretty much better people than my dad and his mates.
I think it's time she faced up to the fact that my dad may have been a bad man, but that he isn't representative of the men she knows personally. we all have good jobs, or are at Uni, or run our own businesses. Nor are any of us in any sort of problem with the law. So, I think she ought to start trying to face up to that , don't you?
And as for lacking ambition - it isn't so much equality, but innate superiorty that the Greenham Camp women seemed to be preaching. You want to believe in nuclear disarmamnet? Even Unilaterally? Ok, you got Bernard Russell and CND. it's not as if these women broke new ground, or had any sort of impact on international affairs.
Communism collapsed due to economic instability, and that took the missiles out of use.
I also think that Dorothy Parker said it first, well before Tim Leary .
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Date: 16/6/11 23:07 (UTC)Sometimes people can heal and sometime the damage is so severe that they cannot. I would like her to heal of course, but I cannot will it to be so. And what you describe, physical violence, is severe enough for me to attempt to see her barriers in a more compassionate light. I'm very sure that is easier written than lived, sadly.
you got Bernard Russell and CND. it's not as if these women broke new ground
Indeed. And what would they make of the science of gender (http://www.ted.com/talks/alice_dreger_is_anatomy_destiny.html) these days?
Dorthy Parker said everything. She was a brilliant shadow.
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Date: 16/6/11 17:23 (UTC)"Whenever women have insisted on absolute equality with men, they have invariably wound up with the dirty end of the stick. What they are and what they can do makes them superior to men, and their proper tactic is to demand special privileges, all the traffic will bear. They should never settle merely for equality. For women, "equality" is a disaster."
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Date: 16/6/11 08:20 (UTC)What we have at loose in the world right now is something they call ‘ the patriarchy’ – it’s ‘the rule of the fathers’, where we make the assumption that middle aged men know best and will rule the world for the benefit of all. And that is a lie and we need something better.
Sure, why not.
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Date: 16/6/11 12:29 (UTC)Or maybe a lot of them were already lesbians? You don't 'turn' lesbian out of distrust of men. And 'sex, in itself, was exploitative' - you realize lesbians have sex too, no?
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Date: 16/6/11 16:14 (UTC)Heterosexual relationships were exploitative, by their very nature.
According to straight women who went in , didn't like what they found and came back out again. being a bloke, we were allowed nowhere near the place, but what is your take on that ?
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Date: 16/6/11 12:50 (UTC)I envy how the Greens have a real presence in politics in Europe and the UK, and are able to be taken seriously offering a radical critique. My own politics are quite close to the Greens, and I am frustrated that the narrow range of effective politics in the US has nothing comparable.
But forgive me being a nitpicker: this statement is quite silly. Anarchists, socialists, libertarians, fascists, and many others offer a radical critique and a revolutionary agenda.
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Date: 16/6/11 16:02 (UTC)I did explain that Green were 'inclusive', and if you want to say that socialists and Fascists are ' radical' and whatever, then sure - I agree.
But 'inclusive'? Come now - the Greens used a report in their manifesto , showing that more equal societies have better outcomes in terms of lower crime, less violent crime, lower teenage pregnancies and alcoholism than societies that are less equal in terms of the gap between the richest and poorest citizens.
Now, previous Socialist governments in Britian have aimed to squeeze the rich in order to provide benefits to the poor - but it has not worked, creating not only resentment among entreprenuers, but also a ' welfare dependency culture' in the long term unemployed.
The Green solution is not to try to drag the high earners down , but to raise the low earners up by allowing more opportunities to train, but funding the Public Services sector instead of having cuts.
This is, as I said, 'inclusive', and frankly I would like to see any other party coming out and saying
We will invest, not cut
We will aim to make overseas trade more fair and equitable
we will extend equal opportunities to women through parental leave
See, parties that offer maternity leave to women are simply giving employers the excuse to hire men instead - offiring it to both parents, and making this part of an emplyees right by law does far more to ensure that women are not disadvantaged in the workplace *and* allows men to have a better work/ life balance.
Of course, if other parties in Europe are doing this, that's great, but I will be very suprised to see any UK party offering just one, never mind all three as part of their program.
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Date: 16/6/11 13:37 (UTC)We are who we are, you and I. Our genetics (R1b1a*) and history demonstrate we are the most aggressive, ruthless and luckiest species of all humanity.
Unfortunately for our hooded and skin headed brethren, it does not translate to "best" or "superior". But realistically, we are mostly all cogs in a machine ourselves. Most numb away the realization we 'failed' to foment the revolution in the 70's and 'failed' to stop the MIC and their puppet Reagan. It must irk you, as it does me, for someone who was not even cognizant during the time rail against Carter or bow at the feet of Team Reagan™.
As are most good souls not sucked into political self-interest, I consider myself an Independent. I will vote for a Green, given only a choice between the status quo and just some fucking change, for a change.
Where I part from Classic Liberalism is the support of war. If you want to take down the rich, take down war making. The rich fall harder and farther than anyone, once their foundation is eroded.
The gals had it right; if you kill war, you bring humans together they way they should come together.
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Date: 16/6/11 16:38 (UTC)Yes, I'm anti - Trident, and anti the Arms Trade.
it is not about ' taking down ' the rich , however, in the sense of abolishing Capitalism.
Yes, we ought to regulate it, stop the exploitation of poorer countries and give them more say in the global market place.
But as I said, Greens are inclusive and would rather see the poor raised up in terms of income than see the rich taxed out of existence. Labour tried that and it backfired. We need everyone on board if society is going to work, including entreprenuers.
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Date: 16/6/11 17:21 (UTC)Is this some evopsych?
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Date: 16/6/11 23:11 (UTC)However, that may change. The article "The Return of Patriarchy" by Phillip Longman provides some interesting reading, arguing that a shift toward a more patriarchal society seems likely.