[identity profile] badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com posting in [community profile] talkpolitics
"The other thing that happened though, this goes to the point you were just making, is there are some structural issues with our economy where a lot of businesses have learned to become much more efficient with a lot fewer workers...If you see it when you go to a bank you use the ATM, you don't go to a bank teller. Or you go to the airport and you use a kiosk instead of checking in at the gate"

Once we come to see technology as the great destroyer of society, the next question we need to ask is how to become one of the survivors. If mankind could read the great works of literature and see that Isaac Asimov had it all wrong, and that the laws of robotics do not apply. They are instead bound by HAL 9000, who thinks we should just take a stress pill and calm down about it.

Tell us, what other things in the world has technology killed for us as a society? After the carnage of the 1990s and 2000s, with millions losing their work as we moved into the digital apocalypse, how are you surviving? What did your ATM do to you today?

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Date: 15/6/11 03:22 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] soliloquy76.livejournal.com
At the bacon dispenser today, I received turkey bacon. CURSES!

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Date: 15/6/11 03:38 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] the-rukh.livejournal.com
I always knew you were sophia_sadek.

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Date: 15/6/11 04:04 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mrbogey.livejournal.com
I've been thinking about launching an NLRB complaint against the banking industry for hostility towards unions by setting up ATMs and refusing to let them unionize.

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Date: 15/6/11 04:13 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mikeyxw.livejournal.com
ATMs unionizing just may be a sign the apocalypse is nigh. The whole rain of frogs seemed more like correlation rather than causation, but the same can't be said for ATMs that start demanding shorter work days.

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Date: 15/6/11 04:21 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mikeyxw.livejournal.com
To be fair, that's not what he really said.

Obama is pointing out that some jobs are going away and some new ones are being created. The government has a place in training those whose job has gone away for the jobs that will be created tomorrow, as he said.

Okay, really the government should help train people for the jobs that exist today, not tomorrow because they do a horrible job of predicting the future, but "tomorrow's jobs" sound more hope and changey.

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Date: 15/6/11 04:45 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mrsilence.livejournal.com
I've heard it said "50% of the jobs that our children will do, don't exist yet.

I don't know have any idea how accurate that is, but there must be some level of truth to it at least.

The thing is, these new jobs don't necessarily spring out of nowhere, one the concept is created, people usually need to actually get trained for them first before any significant numbers can do them.

So it's not that we need to predict the future do be able to do anything useful here, so much that we actually need to decide what we want it to be and build it.

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Date: 16/6/11 03:22 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] harry-beast.livejournal.com
Teaching people how to identify market needs, how to start a small business, how to find opportunities and how to take intelligent risks, as well as reforming laws, regulations and taxes to encourages small business is the way to go, in my view. Entrepreneurs are the ones who will create the future.

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Date: 16/6/11 03:31 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mrsilence.livejournal.com
Sure, I can't disagree with that.

I think government has a positive role to play in all of those things, including the training - or at least access to training. We're all enriched by it, not just the entrepreneurs.

By law:

Date: 15/6/11 04:48 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] moonchylde.livejournal.com
We can't pump our own gas in OR, in order to retain jobs. Which I'm fine with, especially in bad weather. But obvious symbol of the times.

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Date: 15/6/11 04:59 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] enders-shadow.livejournal.com
NJ has similar law, iirc.

Re: By law:

Date: 15/6/11 05:18 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] whoasksfinds.livejournal.com
one of the most annoying things about oregon. second only to all the libs in the willamette valley :) (who perpetuate the problem)
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Date: 16/6/11 01:19 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] whoasksfinds.livejournal.com
well central oregon is the prettiest, and southern oregon has the best weather. just a bunch a stinky hippies in the willamette valley!
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Re: By law:

Date: 16/6/11 01:57 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] whoasksfinds.livejournal.com
no kidding, you live in Medford?
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Date: 16/6/11 02:17 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] whoasksfinds.livejournal.com
dang that is really crazy. i was born in Williams, grew up in Grants Pass, went to college in Eugene, lived in Bend for a few years, and moved to Medford a couple months ago for my job.

small small world!

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Re: By law:

Date: 16/6/11 02:31 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] whoasksfinds.livejournal.com
what part of medford are you in?
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Re: By law:

Date: 16/6/11 02:47 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] whoasksfinds.livejournal.com
so near downtown? because i live on haven st, which is, between jackson elementary and mcloughlin middle school only about 5 blocks from downtown. its a little ghetto but i love it!
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Re: By law:

Date: 16/6/11 03:18 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] whoasksfinds.livejournal.com
lol, i'll keep my eyes out!

we are seriously about 1.5 miles from each other. if you see a 30 something guy with brown hair riding his bike down jackson street on the way to oz fitness, wave, cuz thats me!
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Re: By law:

Date: 16/6/11 04:41 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] whoasksfinds.livejournal.com
too funny! :)

Re: By law:

Date: 15/6/11 05:42 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] telemann.livejournal.com
But do they clean your windows and check your oil level? :P I've not seen that since I was a kid, and that was a very long time ago. In a galaxy far away :P

Re: By law:

Date: 15/6/11 13:56 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] moonchylde.livejournal.com
If you ask. But I don't usually have the cash on hand to tip with.

Re: By law:

Date: 16/6/11 01:16 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] whoasksfinds.livejournal.com
pretty much never.

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Date: 15/6/11 05:29 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fizzyland.livejournal.com
Pretty much the same thing the ATM does every day now that the blood of a virgin was accidentally spilled at my bank branch:
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Date: 15/6/11 05:43 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] telemann.livejournal.com
Seeing a cat tail hanging out of the ATM would be a funny but scary sight ;)

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Date: 15/6/11 08:52 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mintogrubb.livejournal.com
it isn't so much ATMs as Ticket Machines.
London Underground has gone mad on them. Ok, so they work all day without asking for a bathroom break - but will they call the cops if they see someone suspiciously lurking in the booking hall? Will they assist in evacuating the station in an emergency? Do they know how to use the first aid kit in the ticket office? No- they won't even call an ambulance!

But people are getting replaced by these machines, and they don't even take Scottish banknotes. In London , Scottish banknotes are as good as a creased and crumpled tenner - both are legal tender, but try telling that to a tiicket machine !

From a company POV , they are great , but as a customer, you lose something every time they take a person out and put a machine in place.

Boris Johnson wants them to drive traines next !

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Date: 15/6/11 10:45 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] anfalicious.livejournal.com
We got rid of all the conductors; replaced them with machines. Then they had to employ security guards to protect the machines...

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Date: 15/6/11 16:28 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rasilio.livejournal.com
"From a company POV , they are great , but as a customer, you lose something every time they take a person out and put a machine in place."

Actually this is not even close to being true, there are some jobs where it is true but it is not universal and further if there is a need for someone to call the cops or assist in evacuating, or use the first aid kit then we can hire someone to do that actual job and not have them distracted by the mechanical action of taking tickets.

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Date: 15/6/11 16:39 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mintogrubb.livejournal.com
On a Tube station, last thing at night, you can sometime get maybe 10 customers an hour. I know, I have been there. It does not make economic sense to have a trained first aider on standby to specifically deal with an emergency.

However, giving the guy in the ticket office the training to do what I do does mean he can assist me - it is not as if every shift involves a medical emergency, but if it does happen, I would rather see a person in the ticket office than a dozen machines bolted on the station wall.

and, as a passenger , i would rather see a ticket office open , because on some stations the ticket office is the only place where there are staff at all.

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