Say good bye to the tea party candidates

[rasilio.livejournal.com]

As this article argues...

http://www.economist.com/blogs/democracyinamerica/2011/05/osama_bin_laden_0?fsrc=scn/fb/wl//bl/whatthismeansfor2012


Osama Bin Laden's death pretty much ends any chance any of the Tea Party candidates have of beating Obama. Even though any serious analysis would conclude that Obama's death is better for image than substance in any war on terror one of the main thrusts all of the arch conservatives could have thrown at Obama and had it stick was his ineffectual prosecution of the war on terror.

In less than a week he's ended speculation on his place of birth (never should have been an issue but it was) and secured his place as the President who brought down Obama, and more than likely he'll be successful in portraying himself as the President who won in Iraq as well.

That just leaves one issue people can really attack him on, the economy. Here there is very good ground for attacking him the problem is the Bachman's, Gingrich's, and Palin's of the world have never been able to successfully make those attacks because it is clear that fiscal issues are not their prime concern.

I won't say that this guarantees a second Obama term, there is plenty of time left between now and the election for pretty much anything to happen, however this should be the final nail in the coffin of the arch conservative Republicrat Presidential Candidates.

Funny thing is this still leaves the Republicrat's with their best chances at beating Obama with the 3 declared candidates who have the least chance of winning the nomination (Paul, Johnson, or Cain)

In the long run though this may be the single best thing to come out of Osama's death, killing off the candidacy of the most conservative members of the Republicrat party and leaving some smidgen of a chance that a fiscally conservative and socially moderate to liberal candidate winning the nomination.

Comments

[blorky.livejournal.com]

"That just leaves one issue people can really attack him on, " Civil liberties?

[rasilio.livejournal.com]

Do you really think any mainstream Republicrat would have any ground to stand on in this area?

Sure the fringe outsider candidates (Paul, Johnson, and Cain) might have ground to stand on with civil liberties, but anyone strongly associated with the core Republicrat party would have to tread just as lightly as Obama on Civil Liberties if for no other reason than their stance on drug crimes.

[anfalicious.livejournal.com]

This mistake is so omnipresent it's ceasing to be funny. I think we can let Ras slide on this one, it's not like he's an intern at FOX.

[bex.livejournal.com]

Even though any serious analysis would conclude that Obama's death is better for image than substance...

secured his place as the President who brought down Obama...

[capthek.livejournal.com]

I just made a post on my lj saying that people need to stick to saying Bin Laden because they keep on making this stupid error, and look what happens.

[telemann.livejournal.com]

Even though any serious analysis would conclude that Obama's death.


Better correct that, unless you want an FBI visit.

[spaz-own-joo.livejournal.com]

Even though any serious analysis would conclude that Obama's death is better for image than substance

c'mon, I expect these kinds of lax editorial standards on Fox News but not on Livejournal

"it's the economy, stupid"

[debergerac.livejournal.com]

bin laden's death will be old news in a month. obama's achilles heel was, is and will be the economy.

Re: "it's the economy, stupid"

[rasilio.livejournal.com]

Yes, but to actually successfully attack him on the Economy you actually have to have better economic ideas than him. To date the arch conservative wing of the Republicrat party is too busy worrying about grandstanding for their base on economic matters to actually have a fiscal plan that they can fight with in a general election.

You can't take tax cuts off the board, You have to actually cut military spending, you can't even mention ridiculous crap like NPR or Planned parenthood funding and you have to be willing to tell your followers that you're gonna touch their medicare.

The Bachman's Gingrich'es and Palins of the world have never been able to do that.

[dreadfulpenny81.livejournal.com]

In less than a week he's ended speculation on his place of birth (never should have been an issue but it was) and secured his place as the President who brought down Obama...

I can't wait for THAT President! :)

(And I'm talking in political terms, not in terms of mortality, children)

[rasilio.livejournal.com]

Lol I think you may never see it happen.

Odds that he wins a second term are very strong.

[st-rev.livejournal.com]

I think you're misusing 'republicrat (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republicrat)' here.

[ddstory.livejournal.com]

I stopped paying attention after the 618th time he used that. Took me a while, I know.

[johnny9fingers.livejournal.com]

Given what you've written in the various threads herein I'd advise an edit.

[anyusa0030.livejournal.com]

on the your first paragraph i think you meant osama's death not obama's .you wrote"conclude that Obama's death is better for image than substance "

[a-new-machine.livejournal.com]

Is this seriously that transformative?

I just... don't see it. Yes, Obama gave the order to have bin Laden taken out. Whatever. He's gone. I don't think I've ever really been afraid that OBL was still out there in years. It's a good thing that it happened, but the idea that it's an auto-win for Obama in 2012. The split between Dems and Repubs over the past term hasn't been about national security anyway - Obama's been pretty hawkish all told, and continued the Bush terror policies largely unchanged. 2012 will be a campaign of spreadsheets and social issues, and bin Laden's death changes none of that.

I still think people will vote based on the economy, because they almost always do. It's the nature of the thing.

[badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com]

Pretty much. If this election becomes a national security election next year, and if we get to that point, Obama's going to win or lose based on his national security credentials then, not a long-time-coming killing now.

"Obama's death is better for image than.. "?

[squidb0i.livejournal.com]

You missed one.

[the-rukh.livejournal.com]

The best chance for overturning Obama at this point is probably the liberal vote.

[telemann.livejournal.com]

And Republican efforts at curbing voter turnout via revamping voter registration laws in several swing states (e.g. Ohio, Florida, Michigan). Florida tried that in 2006, and a court threw out that law for good reason(s).

While I recognize the contradiction in engaging above...

[badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com]

...am i the only one left who kind of wishes that, when something happens that's good for America, we can just enjoy it as opposed to immediately politicizing it?

Re: While I recognize the contradiction in engaging above...

[montecristo.livejournal.com]

If you want to drink the Kool-Aid after so many people have fallen over after drinking prior batches of it, and despite how suspicious this particular batch looks, then by all means, help yourself.

[thies.livejournal.com]

osamabamadingdong


wut?

[blueduck37.livejournal.com]

Umm, why are you making NO effort to fix your Obama/Osama 'typo'?

[rasilio.livejournal.com]

Isn't it obvious?

Why any fool can see that I want the president dead, don't you see all the venom and malice directed towards him in my post. I mean sane individuals read my post and wonder if I would not have preferred that it was Obama and not Osama killed last night.


Either that or you know, it's a typo that has been extensively discussed in the comments and I see no need whatsoever to take 5 minutes of my time edit something that is a simple and obvious mistake.

[kylinrouge.livejournal.com]

This is a good time for a true Progressive Party to come up. The Republicans can all become Democrats (they Democrats basically are Republicans now anyway) and whatever's left can form this new party that stands for improving America instead of selling our country to corporations.

TYPO in your OP

[chessdev.livejournal.com]

"Even though any serious analysis would conclude that Obama's death is better for image"


You might want to change that...

[ccr1138.livejournal.com]

I think you've not yet realized that the Tea Party stands for an ideology regarding fiscal policy, nothing more. Obama's embarrassing ineptitude with foreign policy has no bearing.

Obama's death is better for image than substance in any war on terror

Freudian slip? :P

[rasilio.livejournal.com]

NO I know what the Tea Party stands for.

The "Tea Party Candidates", that is the prospective Republican Presidential Candidates most closely associated with the Tea Parties, are another matter entirely.

True if the Tea Parties were being honest they'd be throwing all of their support behind Daniels, Paul, Johnson, or maybe Cain but at the moment they seem to prefer Gingrich, Bachman, and to a lesser extent Trump (I also don't think he'll actually declare himself a candidate) none of whom is going to be able to have as much credibility as a fiscal hawk as the earlier group.

[underlankers.livejournal.com]

Bush I won an Iraq War and economic weakness prevented him from being re-elected. It's not a shoe-in.....

[rasilio.livejournal.com]

True, I didn't say his reelection was assured, I said that this would kill off what little chance a hard line conservative candidate would have of beating him.

Relative outsiders like Paul, Johnson, Cain, and I presume Huntsman (assuming he runs and with the caveat that I don't know anything about him save some very knowledgeable people seem to think he'd be the best possible Republican candidate) would still be very difficult for him to campaign against as would someone who was pure fiscal policy with a record of success in that area like Daniels and to a somewhat lesser extent Pawlenty.

But IMO this should be the last nail in the coffin's for the candidacies of Bachman, Gingrich, et all.