[identity profile] verytwistedmind.livejournal.com posting in [community profile] talkpolitics

CNN's John King: "Before we go to break, I want to make a quick point. We were having a discussion about the Chicago mayoral race. My friend Andy Shaw used the term 'in the crosshairs' in talking about the candidates. We're trying, we're trying to get away from that language. Andy is a good friend, he's covered politics for a long time, but we're trying to get away from that kind of language."

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2011/01/18/cnn_apologizes_for_guest_using_term_crosshairs.html <- video


Is this over the top? Have we taken this push for civility to the point were we will once again warp our lexicon to suit the hyper sensitive? Do we need words that are purely for political discussion and nothing else? Jargon more so than lexicon.

I heard on the radio that John Boehner has started calling the health care repeal "a job's crusher' rather than a 'job's killer' [unfounded rumer citation needed]

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Date: 19/1/11 18:34 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dwer.livejournal.com
I'm glad to see that Boehner has come around.

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Date: 19/1/11 21:40 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dwer.livejournal.com
John Boehner has started calling the health care repeal "a job's crusher' rather than a 'job's killer'

Repealing health care reform will indeed be jobs crusher.

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Date: 20/1/11 00:52 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gunslnger.livejournal.com
You weren't clear what he was coming around about.

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Date: 19/1/11 18:35 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] underlankers.livejournal.com
Nah, all he needs to do is say he's "in the surveyor symbols."

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Date: 19/1/11 18:39 (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] weswilson
I think a little overcompensating is welcome. It might then normalize into something a little more appropriate.

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Date: 19/1/11 19:31 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] telemann.livejournal.com
Well said, sir!

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Date: 19/1/11 18:39 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mijopo.livejournal.com
Yes, this is over the top, good lord. And the GOP should stop working so hard to avoid saying "job killing". The argument that the Health Care Act is killing jobs is spurious, but worrying that it's wrong to use "killing" in this context is nearly as ridiculous.

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Date: 19/1/11 18:41 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rasilio.livejournal.com
Way too PC

What's next, shall the announcers of this weekends Football (real football, not that silly game the rest of the world calls football) games avoid the terms "Blitz", "Bomb", "Offense", "Defense", etc.?

It is only hypersensitive idiocy that ever considered the cross hairs imagery as some sort of covert call to violence.

And while we're at it...

http://www.redstate.com/erick/files/2011/01/wal-mart-attack.jpg


This is far closer to an actual call to violence as they are going to be marching on a private individuals home but I don't see the popular media bringing the exact same imagery they complain about from the right when the left uses it.

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Date: 19/1/11 18:43 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] underlankers.livejournal.com
See to me that kind of thing especially after the Giffords shooting is stupid and worth mocking for tone-deafness in its own right. OTOH, the target is Wally's World, the land of cheap crap. It's definitely not right, though.

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Date: 19/1/11 19:29 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rasilio.livejournal.com
yeah and I am the exact opposite.

I have no problem whatsoever with the imagery, IF they were hosting the event at a public park, or the site of the Wal Mart, or even the corporate HQ of the developer. But to march on the residence of a private indvidial is nothing short of intimidation and throwing the quasi violent imagery borders on terrorism against that family.

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Date: 19/1/11 22:03 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] underlankers.livejournal.com
I agree that marching on the home of the private individual is thuggery and belongs in countries like Belarus and not here. I think we'll have to agree to disagree on the appropriateness of violent imagery which is wrong whether or not the idiot who uses it is one I'd agree with on most other things.

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Date: 19/1/11 18:44 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] policraticus.livejournal.com
It is Newspeak. The way to control debate is to control the meaning of language in such a way as to define your opponent's speech as prima facia unspeakable.

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Date: 19/1/11 18:51 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] whoasksfinds.livejournal.com
good thing they don't have their "crossfire" show anymore!

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Date: 19/1/11 19:15 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yes-justice.livejournal.com
LOL. Actually, I miss that show. Frank Zappa and Newt? Golden.

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Date: 19/1/11 20:23 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] debergerac.livejournal.com
they had to end it because people were always getting shot offstage.

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Date: 19/1/11 18:55 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jlc20thmaine.livejournal.com

http://washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/beltway-confidential/2011/01/banning-crosshairs-cnn-used-it-refer-palin-bachmann

"Palin's moose-hunting episode on her reality show enraged People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals, and now, she's square in the crosshairs of big time Hollywood producer, Aaron Sorkin," reported A.J. Hammer of CNN's Headline News on December 8.

"Companies like MasterCard are in the crosshairs for cutting ties with WikiLeaks," said CNN Kiran Chetry in a December 9 report.

"Thousands of people living in areas that are in the crosshairs have been told to evacuate," Chetry said in a December 21 report on flooding in California.

"He's in their crosshairs," said a guest in a December 21 CNN discussion of suspects in a missing-person case.

"This will be the first time your food will be actually in the crosshairs of the FDA," business reporter Christine Romans said on December 22.

"The U.S. commander in the East has Haqqani in his crosshairs," CNN's Barbara Starr reported on December 28, referring to an Afghan warlord.

"We know that health care reform is in the crosshairs again," CNN's Joe Johns reported on January 3.



Read more at the Washington Examiner: http://washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/beltway-confidential/2011/01/banning-crosshairs-cnn-used-it-refer-palin-bachmann#ixzz1BVcT9q3s

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Date: 20/1/11 15:02 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jlc20thmaine.livejournal.com
Yes, we should.

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Date: 19/1/11 19:13 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] a-new-machine.livejournal.com
The warlord at least may *actually* be an entirely unarguable use of it.

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Date: 19/1/11 20:36 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] whoasksfinds.livejournal.com
yes i concur. the haqqani network is literally in our crosshairs everyday.

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Date: 19/1/11 21:48 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] underlankers.livejournal.com
Thirded. I mean really, that's just common sense.

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Date: 19/1/11 19:14 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yes-justice.livejournal.com
Does someone watch TV all day waiting for this stuff?

The truth is we're a violent culture and our language reflects our blindness to it.

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Date: 19/1/11 20:13 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] a-new-machine.livejournal.com
I think you accidentally a word.

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Date: 19/1/11 20:21 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yes-justice.livejournal.com
Try music.

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Date: 19/1/11 19:28 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] telemann.livejournal.com
Ditto that.

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Date: 19/1/11 19:32 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rasilio.livejournal.com
Actually yes.

Believe it or not there are people who get paid to watch TV all day and track all manner of things that get mentioned, anything from mentioning a corporation to various types of political speech.

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Date: 19/1/11 23:17 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yes-justice.livejournal.com
I'm thinking that gig would be nice for a couple of days, then notsomuch.

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Date: 19/1/11 21:34 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gunslnger.livejournal.com
Is this over the top? Have we taken this push for civility to the point were we will once again warp our lexicon to suit the hyper sensitive?

Yes.

Do we need words that are purely for political discussion and nothing else?

No.

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Date: 19/1/11 22:22 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] anfalicious.livejournal.com
warp our lexicon to suit the hyper sensitive

Shutting up and listening to each other and speaking as if we're all human beings is hardly "warping the lexicon". Do you ever stop and consider the lexicon, and style of discourse, is currently warped to suit the loud and the aggressive; who tend to not be the most thoughtful of people.

Meh

Date: 19/1/11 22:58 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] geezer-also.livejournal.com
Over the top?

Not necessarily, it's just typical, therefore over the top has kind of lost it's meaning.

Personal opinion....just plain silly.
From: [identity profile] reality-hammer.livejournal.com
Just more evidence that political correctness is censorship by another name.

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Date: 19/1/11 23:57 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fizzyland.livejournal.com
Our media reactionary? I am Jack's complete lack of surprise.

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Date: 20/1/11 01:33 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mrsilence.livejournal.com
On one hand, having a little bit of sugar and fat in your diet is healthy, damn near unavoidable, and cutting it completely out of your diet is unreasonable.

So saying "don't eat that donut" is clearly way too PC.

But on the other hand, eating a fucking truckload of it every day can give you a heart attack.

On the gripping hand, partisan politics and the nature of media/public debate usually make it damn near impossible to distinguish between gradients of anything not presented in a simple black/white good/bad dichotomy.

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Date: 20/1/11 04:10 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] harry-beast.livejournal.com
This push, in my view, is one of the key reasons behind the decline in the level of civility in public discussion. When the mainstream embraces (and enforces) a code of expression that drains away any kind of substance and relevance from civil discussion, all that is left are the yahoos shouting from the fringe.
On a related note, John King's grovelling makes me want to puke. I can't imagine such a limp wienie having anything worthwhile to say.

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Date: 20/1/11 05:22 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dreadfulpenny81.livejournal.com
Too PC to the point of ridiculousness. The only person to blame for the AZ shooting was Jared Loughner. He had a beef with Giffords going all the way back to 2007 and crosshairs on a map had NOTHING to do with it. People need to stop whining and start using some common sense!

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Date: 20/1/11 05:58 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nevermind6794.livejournal.com
This reminds me of when businesses have diversity/sensitivity training, and it all rings hollow because no one-hour seminar will make up for the good old boy culture ingrained in management over the last twenty years.

I mean, the effort is nice, but the fact that they try so hard and so awkwardly makes it obviously unauthentic.