[identity profile] foxglovehp.livejournal.com posting in [community profile] talkpolitics
My audiologist posted something recently about a new law being signed to limit the volume of television commercials.  I wear hearing aids, so I am not interested in debating with anyone here whether or not TV commercials are too loud.  I have to turn my HAs down whenever commercials come on, so I know they are.  Everyone knows they are too loud.  Mad Magazine even knew they were too loud in the '70's when I used to read it as a kid.  I know this because they made jokes about it even back then.

Titled CALM (Commercial Advertisement Loudness Mitigation), the law requires the FCC to tell broadcasters to turn the fraking volume down on commercials.  Really?  no shit?  Couldn't someone in the Federal government, which controls the Federal Communications Commission just tell them to do it?  Did we really need congressional action for this?  It offends my delicate libertarian sensibilities to know that this was really required.  Also, is this the best acronym our tax dollars can buy?

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Date: 29/12/10 01:56 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dwer.livejournal.com
I don't give a crap what the percentage is. WMAQ continues to use the public airwaves, and they transmit across state lines. That makes it interstate, and therefore regulated by congress.

Never mind the fact that Comcast is interstate for the vast majority of the population anyway, just like AT&T, or RoadRunner, or TimeWarner or most other cable providers.

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Date: 29/12/10 01:58 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com
I don't give a crap what the percentage is. WMAQ continues to use the public airwaves, and they transmit across state lines. That makes it interstate, and therefore regulated by congress.

The commerce is interstate. In fact, you've made a valid point - the broadcast over the airwaves into the homes straight into antennas isn't commerce at all, so Congress doesn't really have the right to hit the user end of that, either.

Never mind the fact that Comcast is interstate for the vast majority of the population anyway, just like AT&T, or RoadRunner, or TimeWarner or most other cable providers.

How so? When I had Comcast in New Hampshire, I paid my bill in New Hampshire, got my service through New Hampshire, etc. Cable is very local.

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Date: 29/12/10 02:13 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dwer.livejournal.com
The commerce is interstate. In fact, you've made a valid point - the broadcast over the airwaves into the homes straight into antennas isn't commerce at all, so Congress doesn't really have the right to hit the user end of that, either.

First of all, you're wrong because the broadcasters are using the airwaves on loan from the public, which owns it, and second of all, you're wrong because even though no money passes between the viewer and the broadcaster, the interstate commerce still effects the viewer.

How so? When I had Comcast in New Hampshire, I paid my bill in New Hampshire, got my service through New Hampshire, etc. Cable is very local.

Yeah, ok. They serve customers in 39 states and DC, and they're based in Philadelphia.

http://www.comcast.com/corporate/about/pressroom/corporateoverview/corporateoverview.html

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Date: 29/12/10 02:15 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com
First of all, you're wrong because the broadcasters are using the airwaves on loan from the public, which owns it, and second of all, you're wrong because even though no money passes between the viewer and the broadcaster, the interstate commerce still effects the viewer.

The commerce effects the viewer, but the commerce is not with the viewer - the Congress has no rights on that end.

As for the broadcast airwaves, we've covered that, and now knowing that no commerce happens in the broadcast, it's rather moot.

Yeah, ok. They serve customers in 39 states and DC, and they're based in Philadelphia.

Yes, but, again, the commerce is not happening across state lines.

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Date: 29/12/10 02:17 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dwer.livejournal.com
The commerce effects the viewer, but the commerce is not with the viewer - the Congress has no rights on that end.

I disagree, and so does Congress. So, there you are.

Yes, but, again, the commerce is not happening across state lines.

For christ's sake. You're in NH, Comcast is in PA, and you're paying Comcast for service, and you're suggesting that's not interstate commerce because they have a customer service office in NH? That's... more ridiculous than usual.

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Date: 29/12/10 02:20 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com
I disagree, and so does Congress. So, there you are.

I disagree factually, though. You just say so.

For christ's sake. You're in NH, Comcast is in PA, and you're paying Comcast for service, and you're suggesting that's not interstate commerce because they have a customer service office in NH? That's... more ridiculous than usual.

Comcast is a national company, sure. So is CVS. Are you really going to say that, when I go down the street and buy a soda at the CVS, I'm personally engaging in interstate commerce? That's absurd.

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Date: 29/12/10 02:24 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dwer.livejournal.com
those are fundamentally different kinds of transactions, but several CVS stores are hold-over franchises anyway.

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Date: 29/12/10 02:46 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com
I don't see the fundamental difference outside of the transaction always being commerce. You're still talking about a local transaction for the customer of probable interstate goods.

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Date: 29/12/10 02:49 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dwer.livejournal.com
and since those goods are interstate, they are regulated by the federal government.

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Date: 29/12/10 02:52 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com
The commerce between CVS and the distributor, sure. Not between me and CVS.

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Date: 29/12/10 02:53 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dwer.livejournal.com
you keep saying that, I'm sure you'll convince yourself someday.

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Date: 29/12/10 02:54 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com
How am I wrong? How is me buying a soda down the street interstate commerce?

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Date: 29/12/10 02:56 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dwer.livejournal.com
It's part of the entire transaction chain from supplier to customer.

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Date: 29/12/10 02:59 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com
Congress, however, only has the ability to regulate the transaction that is interstate.

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Date: 29/12/10 02:56 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dwer.livejournal.com
and it continues to be not analogous to paying for cable service from a national corporation.

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Date: 29/12/10 02:59 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com
Paying for cable service locally from a national corporation is not the same as paying for cola service locally from a national corporation.

Uh, okay.

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Date: 29/12/10 03:05 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dwer.livejournal.com
Because it's different. One is an always on service. One is a single drink.

It is ok to realize that different things are different.

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Date: 29/12/10 03:05 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com
But how is the transaction different? That's the part that matters.

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Date: 29/12/10 04:28 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dwer.livejournal.com
asked and already answered. And let's just skip the whole part where you say "nuh-uh" and I say "yes-huh."

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Date: 29/12/10 12:33 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com
So you have no actual answer. Gotcha.

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