A few thoughts about future world

[taurus-1.livejournal.com]

Some thoughts about the world-to-come are published here:
"The Future of the Humankind: The Dictatorship of Conscience or the Tyranny of Bible Owners"

Abstract
1. Is the conscience free within the traditional confessions?
2. God is the best of planners…
3. Conjecture will not avail aught against the truth…
4. Why are hierarchs of churches against the Rightness-Truth?
5. The task is to prevent from unleashing the new world war on the basis of interconfessional enmity.

Based on the work of the Russian community of social systems analytics.
Any comments are welcome.

Comments

[devil-ad-vocate.livejournal.com]

Re the abstract
1. The question should be: is the conscience obliged to be forever faunching in search of crodagdamosis? It becomes a mental game in which one expresses a fond remembrance of, and longing for, personalities and/or events with whom they themselves could have had no personal acquaintance or experience, e.g., Jennifer Lopez remembering the day she gave a royal command performance for Queen Victoria.

See what I mean?

2. God is furbelicious; or putting it another way, he/she creates metalybollobs like those millions of little silver droplets that spray everywhere when you drop an old glass thermometer.

3. "Conjecture will not avail aught against the truth...". You must be pokeaphobic to suggest such an outcome.

4. Hierarchs of churches blather rurale. They drain words of meaning and excrete them through the verbal passage.

5. The new world war should not be based on enmity. It should have the consistency of tapioca pudding.

[il-mio-gufo.livejournal.com]

Yeah, I agree. Much of this translation is nonsensical :S

[taurus-1.livejournal.com]

1. I think yes. You're caught the point. Every mortal men has a full history of the world in its unbiased view. It's made possible through the use of co-called 'noosphere' (Vernadsky and Co) -- the energetic layer around the whole globe. Connection to that sphere is not learned by the science yat (it's just has no tools to sense it) but is used for the whole length of history (theaters, religion, psychoanalysis, art, architecture, music for example). That's the cause that every mother have a connection to their children for the whole life and sense the illness or death of them wherever they are.

2. Nice metaphor! Agree
4. Agree

[malasadas.livejournal.com]

I've come to the conclusion that it is really simply useless to try to translate Russian into English or English into Russian.

[debergerac.livejournal.com]

russian doesn't translate word for word. you have to be creative...

[malasadas.livejournal.com]

I'd settle for one word in ten...

[debergerac.livejournal.com]

well if most of the russian posters here are any indication, that one word would be nationalist...

[taurus-1.livejournal.com]

that's true. we have a lot of different words with each of them has *slightly* different mean. It's hard to me (yet) to align this difference between languages. But I'm still trying and you guys help me a lot. Thanks!

[fizzyland.livejournal.com]

1. Is the conscience free within the traditional confessions?
Whut?

2. God is the best of planners…
Which God? Vishnu? Thor?

3. Conjecture will not avail aught against the truth…
What truth?

4. Why are hierarchs of churches against the Rightness-Truth?
Because it interferes with the money-collecting and child-buggering.

5. The task is to prevent from unleashing the new world war on the basis of interconfessional enmity.
New world war based on water/oil shortages seems a lot more plausible than whatever "interconfessional enmity" is.

[ddstory.livejournal.com]

What do you mean, What truth. Taurus_1's truth, obviously.

[taurus-1.livejournal.com]

Yes, I see you're very sensitive on me for some reason, dear lady :)

[ddstory.livejournal.com]

I'm generally wary of e-stalkers.

[taurus-1.livejournal.com]

That's pretty easy. You're very intuitive and you feel some mystics behind me. And like any woman you're very curious about that. It's OK.

[taurus-1.livejournal.com]

Our systems are being aligned, thanks to our common roots.

[ddstory.livejournal.com]

Lol, mystics. I just recognize the troll.

Don't pretend that you know anything about me.

[taurus-1.livejournal.com]

May be I've written the wrong word... Not about 'magic powers','witches', etc. Something you don't understand completely but feel that there's much more in depth.
You're right -- I don't KNOW anything about you (except what you said about yourself in userinfo). I just feel it.

[ddstory.livejournal.com]

Whatever.

[rasilio.livejournal.com]

"2. God is the best of planners…
Which God? Vishnu? Thor? "

But why does god even need to plan? I mean it's friggin omnipotent, if you manage to plan something it doesn't like it can just snap it's fingers and rewrite history.

[taurus-1.livejournal.com]

Because he has it's own goals that can't be seen for us. Thus, he has plans of how to reach his goals, just like human beings.

[underlankers.livejournal.com]

2) Great Cthulhu is completely apathetic about the new lifeforms that took over since the end of the Precambrian Aeon.

[taurus-1.livejournal.com]

2. That doesn't matter. The name is just a symbol.
3. Good question. I don't know :)
5. Every war has objects and subjects. Resources are common but not exclusive objects of war. The result of war is based on the properties of subjects of war and a probability of miracle which relies solely on behalf of God. The first half of nation power can be developed, planned, implemented by use of science, while the second half may be covered only by religion. USA mostly utilizes the first path of development, while Muslims (for example) use mostly the second. We in Russia have the unique experience of combining these tho powers to gain the great success in 1930..1990. But the ideology failed, and this couple has been temporarily divorced.

[fizzyland.livejournal.com]

I'm going to have to disagree with your result of war conclusion - especially the part about "probability of miracle which relies solely on behalf of God." Do you have an example of this?

Also, Stalin stomped on religion hard, so how can you say the powers of science and religion were combined in the 1930's?

[taurus-1.livejournal.com]

1. Any probability is on behalf of God :) Say, probaility of a single missile from Soviet anti-aircraft system S300 hit an aircraft is about 98% in generic conditions. These 2% is the God's part.

2. That was specifical 'Soviet' religion. "The USSR is the first country of workers and peasants and have global mission." This idea drove USSR until 1968. Then the blethers Khruschov, Brezhnev etc collapsed the idea.

[green-man-2010.livejournal.com]

I also feel that the traditional Christian Church is in danger of getting out of synch with reality in some places.

For instance, we in England do have a Protestant tradition, but there is not any danger of Creationism being taught in schools in England. however, in the USA, they tell me that in the USA , some states still have Creationism taught in schools. And that in the Grand Canyon, they are not allowed to put up signs saying that it is millions of yrs old.

The gap between Muslim and Christian communities will grow, I think, due to the fact that whereas the Bible will allow for a critical reading, based on a few verses that those of the fundamentalist persuasion seem intent on ignoring, I am not so sure that the Koran is understood , or evencan be understood the same way.

The Bible was compliled by reverent yet mortal men, inspired as they were directed by God. For Muslims, though, the Koran was given as though through dictation- it is not thought of as the work of a human being under inspiration , but rather as a revelation direct from God. Hence, if the bible and the Koran disagree on anything, The Koran is held to be right, and the Bible is discounted.

I don't know that the Islamic bloc is in any position to sart taking on the rest of the world , though , never mind taking it over. Sure, Muslims in europe have a higher birthrate than Europeans - but the fact is that girls raised in british schools, who hav seen beyond the life their mothers had no choice about - these girls are demanding change, and a better life for themselves.

The biggest danger to the West is the dissaffected Muslim kid who flunks his exams and ends up seeking martyrdom and 40 virgins in Paradise by blowing up his rucksack on a train or bus.

Since the british government started taking an interest in what Imams were saying when they went into schools and prisons, we in the UK have had less trouble from suicide bombers.

But the real problem that secularists face is that unless secularism can deliver big advantages to all, religion and religious leaders will seek to use the gullible for their own ends.

[il-mio-gufo.livejournal.com]

But the real problem that secularists face is that unless secularism can deliver big advantages to all, religion and religious leaders will seek to use the gullible for their own ends.

What do you think? Maybe it's not so much the "gullible." Maybe it's more of those who are easily driven by FEAR? And....maybe those who have a tendency toward self-righteousness?

[underlankers.livejournal.com]

Bullshit. Both Medieval Christian and Muslim intellectuals made it quite clear that if science disagreed with the Faith, science won. In fact Muhammad was more clear on this than Jesus was. The Muslim world is not a danger to the West. The *West* is a danger to the West with inherent problems that date back decades but are ignored in the hope that they'll go away. They never do in the real world.

[green-man-2010.livejournal.com]

Bullshit. Both Medieval Christian and Muslim intellectuals made it quite clear that if science disagreed with the Faith, science won. In fact Muhammad was more clear on this than Jesus was.

I really want some cites on this please.
I mean , I can take it on board that orthodox Christians can still accept evolution as a reality and remain orthodox, but this is because I am well enough grounded in the Christian Bible to know that Augustine, among others, was correct.

Now, if the Koran can be understood to be as allegorical as I understand Genesis to be, and if orthodox Muslims can accept that this as an orthodox position of their faith, fine. But I am not well versed enough in the Koran to back the assertation that Mohommed outdid Jesus or anyone else in promulgating a reality based faith.

Incidentally, when it comes to reality based faith, I would much prefer using verses from Proverbs and the Epistles to anything that Christ said in the Gospels iin order to make my case.

Does the Koran lay out anything as clearly pro-reality as 1 Thessalonians 5:21, or Proverbs 18:17, or Prov 25: 22, for instance?

[thies.livejournal.com]

I like pie and consider religions to be twisted fairy tales followed and taken serious only by retards. Have a beautiful day.

[pastorlenny.livejournal.com]

LOL

[il-mio-gufo.livejournal.com]

new icon eh?

[pastorlenny.livejournal.com]

Had it a while. Just whipped it out here for no good reason. We retards are like that.

[il-mio-gufo.livejournal.com]

there are many others who believe just the same. and i would agree to a certain point that many religious texts closely mirror tales of mythology. but "retards?" come now, i'm not sure Victor Frankl (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logotherapy) would have agreed with that much ;)

[il-mio-gufo.livejournal.com]

The Russians are discussing religion? They're religious in Russia??? Who would have thought what with all that sex trafficking (http://www.uri.edu/artsci/wms/hughes/russia.htm)?

[taurus-1.livejournal.com]

In fact -- yes. The whole ideology behind each Russian is very religious. The traditional structure of the Russian society is tightly coupled with the religion. We talk about the Holy Trinity as the basis of Orthodoxy, with God-son being the family, God-father being the state and the Holy Spirit being the entity that syncronises the frequencies of the whole structure with the same rythm. Sex trafficking is the sad attribute of illness of the society.

[il-mio-gufo.livejournal.com]

Has any Russian created a Missionary Group to attempt to spread the Gospel to all those Russian men who act as pimps over those poor little Russian girls and young women?

Do you believe that upon hearing the Gospel these pimps will feel compelled to cease their activities? Do you believe that the Gospel alone is enough to stop them? To change them? To cause them to want to repent?

[underlankers.livejournal.com]

1) No, if anything they've a well-deserved reputation for instilling guilt complexes.

2) Not going to go here. Period. As bringing up the complexities of hatred between Judaism and Christianity and Islam is a Mind Screw in its own right.

3) Bullshit, it does that all the time in the real world.

4) The natural tendency of clergies is to conservatism. It's not necessarily bad but it is the way it is.

5) I wasn't aware that was what the other world wars were fought over. Religion has not the staying power for a war on that scale. It can motivate the soldiers but it can't do anything on the scale that ideologies or just plain ol' states can.