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When I was a firefighter back in the '90s, our overreaching government agency OSHA, decided to re-write the vertical rules for firefighters. One of the 'improvements' to our safety would have required us to wear Nomex skivvies. It was justified by saying that any fabric in contact with our bodies must be fire resistant or we would be in unreasonable danger.

When a public hearing was held by OSHA on the subject in somewhere in California, a union delegate was sent from one of the locals (the who, what, where details are long gone from my memory) to bring up a particular question; does the regulation cover undies that cover girl firefighter’s pleasant parts? And does that include the string that is used to pull her tampax? The hearing kinda fell apart after that question, was adjourned and was never re-scheduled. The proposed reg. died that day.

Now we have this: http://www.prisonplanet.com/sanitary-towel-prompts-tsa-to-grope-sexual-assault-victim.html

Is it only fair? Or maybe instead of exposing the ladies, they could train their agents to simply do a 'sniff test'?
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Date: 26/11/10 18:10 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ygrii-blop.livejournal.com
Wow. I read some of the comments on the linked page. Those people are insane. I mean they're barking mad!

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Date: 26/11/10 18:48 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mahnmut.livejournal.com
Hey, it's Alex Jones' webpage after all.

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Date: 26/11/10 19:12 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mijopo.livejournal.com
Yes, I'm not sure how seriously we should take the complaint in light of that.

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Date: 26/11/10 19:19 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mahnmut.livejournal.com
I'm not sure how seriously we should take the linked source, to that matter.

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Date: 26/11/10 23:12 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] il-mio-gufo.livejournal.com
I once heard that Alex Jones is a shill for the Catholic Church (?).

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Date: 27/11/10 10:30 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] htpcl.livejournal.com
Alex Jones is a nut (coconut?) but it's hugely entertaining to watch/read him.

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Date: 26/11/10 18:22 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] geezer-also.livejournal.com
Oh my, worse than OSHA? I will never fly again (altho to be honest I hate to fly and haven't for more than 15 years)

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Date: 26/11/10 18:23 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] il-mio-gufo.livejournal.com
Is TSA owned by Halliburton (http://www.halliburton.com/AboutUs/default.aspx?navid=995&pageid=2420)?

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Date: 28/11/10 08:43 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gunslnger.livejournal.com
I guess you can't help it then. Sorry.

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Date: 26/11/10 20:03 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ninboydean.livejournal.com
The hysteria against OSHA and the TSA are telling in that they reflect the degree to which corporate media can manipulate and direct the interests of the population.

The media (and certain pressure groups) are intent on focusing on the TSA. Why not previously? What has changed, besides the specific engineering of certain stories?

Really, every time someone mentions the abuse of power by authorities you get nothing more than reaction: all sorts of justifications for the 'imperfect' system in an attempt to soothe our anxiety. But if that same complaint is coupled with a barrage of media focus, you can, alternatively, create a popular movement which will harm or benefit whatever power you're trying to attack / enrich.

How absurd that, in the midst of this economic downturn-and-hijacking by the bankers, the TSA becomes a justified point of outrage able to mobilize reaction. How embarrassing for the entire nation.

http://www.thenation.com/article/156647/tsastroturf-washington-lobbyists-and-koch-funded-libertarians-behind-tsa-scandal (http://www.thenation.com/article/156647/tsastroturf-washington-lobbyists-and-koch-funded-libertarians-behind-tsa-scandal)

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Date: 26/11/10 20:46 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/aviation_/
What has changed?
1. TSA Security now uses THE FRONT OF THEIR HANDS when they used to use the back
2. Full body scanners are more common, exposing us to radiation

I agree that the media can make anything an issue (and can also suppress any issue, to a point), but I've had a problem with TSA all along, so I just don't mind right now.

P.S. Using red Herrings just makes me yawn. You are talking about bankers WHY?

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Date: 26/11/10 21:42 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/aviation_/
About which thing? The scanners or the groping?

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Date: 27/11/10 19:50 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ironhawke.livejournal.com
Could it be that getting a youngin putting their hands on you gets your heart racing a little bit ole' man? ;)

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Date: 27/11/10 03:42 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ninboydean.livejournal.com
"P.S. Using red Herrings just makes me yawn. You are talking about bankers WHY?"

Because the media isn't in any serious fashion. This kind of thing isn't seriously critiqued, for instance: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brad_Birkenfeld (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brad_Birkenfeld)

UBS, engaged in a tax evasion fraud worth 20Bn, gets off for 780Mn and the whistleblower who broke the case is the only individual who ends up in jail for it. Furthermore, UBS was the 12th greatest donor to Obama's campaign in 2008.

I think its slightly more important that our government is engaged in graft at this level, than the problematic TSA issues (which are largely related to poor standrads which the right wing, in a bid to privatize the system, have refused to allow be fixed: http://open.salon.com/blog/ron_moore/2010/11/16/who_is_behind_the_tsa_pat-down_controversy (http://open.salon.com/blog/ron_moore/2010/11/16/who_is_behind_the_tsa_pat-down_controversy) - further attempts for graft, btw!).

If its not more important, it at least deserves comparable air-time.

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Date: 26/11/10 23:18 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] il-mio-gufo.livejournal.com
How absurd that, in the midst of this economic downturn-and-hijacking by the bankers, the TSA becomes a justified point of outrage able to mobilize reaction. How embarrassing for the entire nation.

Hmmmmmm....what does that say? It says, maybe, that people know when they are being violated when the violation is physical. But when the violation is financial, well, people cannot see it as clearly and/or do not f e e l it. Afterall, monies are less physical and more theoretical...my empolyer does not pay me in CASH, my employer pays me by check & in some cases employers pay by a debit card of sorts. How funny :x

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Date: 27/11/10 03:35 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ninboydean.livejournal.com
No, it doesn't. We've known that black people are disproportionately targeted and convicted by the legal system for decades, but the media doesn't take that seriously, even when people get up in arms about it.

For the media, money is far more material than physical harassment.

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Date: 26/11/10 20:35 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/aviation_/
thanks for the freedomzzz tsa.

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Date: 26/11/10 20:44 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] airiefairie.livejournal.com
Your username...and this post...what a funny coincidence! =)

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Date: 26/11/10 20:46 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/aviation_/
Haha I love flying I just do not love Airport Security :)

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Date: 26/11/10 21:43 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/aviation_/
Ok. You might have to pay for it, though.

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Date: 26/11/10 22:38 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] airiefairie.livejournal.com
I could lend you mine (http://www.vectis.co.uk/AuctionImages/216/2676_l.jpg).

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Date: 27/11/10 01:31 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/aviation_/
I think I am too fat for it

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Date: 26/11/10 20:54 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tridus.livejournal.com
The head of TSA and Obama told us this was necessary to keep us safe from the rampaging hordes, so it must be okay? Right?

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Date: 26/11/10 21:07 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] telemann.livejournal.com
And the minute a terrorist blows up a plane, you can set your watch who the right wing pundits will blame for lax security.

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Date: 26/11/10 21:19 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yes-justice.livejournal.com
F-the police.

We should have two airlines. Ones where no one is checked and ones where everyone is searched. You get to choose which ones to fly.

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Date: 27/11/10 00:12 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rasilio.livejournal.com
No they wouldn't.

If no one is checked terrorists would get to hijack exactly 1 plane, after that all the passengers would be packing themselves and any would be terrorist would be a very unhappy camper assuming he even survived to reach the ground again.

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Date: 27/11/10 03:45 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ninboydean.livejournal.com
Pretty sure that militarization of the population didn't provide security in Africa, the Middle East, S. America... even on a microcosmic level. Why on earth do you expect consistently 'democratic-righteous' conditions for popularly-armed airplanes?

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Date: 27/11/10 19:53 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ironhawke.livejournal.com
Well, lets be real here. The intent would stop being about hijaking a plane, and more about just blowing the fucker up. We'd see a LOT of that happening, or massive releases of chlorine gas. If we take the theory on the intent (prevention against hijaking) you'd be right, but reality would tend to disagree.

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Date: 28/11/10 07:48 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mrsilence.livejournal.com
There can be not perfect defense against those who do not care if they live or die.

Ultimately the only way to be sure requires teaching them to not want to die.

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Date: 27/11/10 02:19 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] underlankers.livejournal.com
Not necessarily. They might well try sometime for a suicide bombing of Black Friday or something which would hurt the US economy a lot more than flying a plane into a building did. For that matter the last person to play Kamikaze in the USA was not a Muslim........

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Date: 28/11/10 19:16 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] underlankers.livejournal.com
No, he wasn't newsworthy because he was a white conservative. If that man's name had been Hassan Ibn Walid he would not have been ignored.
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Date: 30/11/10 00:47 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] debergerac.livejournal.com
If only there were some sort of... market... that allowed individuals to pick and choose levels of services. Some sort of unencumbered bazaar that allowed the exchange of goods.


i support a dual system of taxation for liberals and fiscal conservatives. those who want more governmental cradle to gravism get to pay for it via higher tax rates. the others like me get to opt out. what could be fairer?

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Date: 27/11/10 02:18 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] underlankers.livejournal.com
I have as hard a time taking stuff seriously from PrisonPlanet as I do from RevLeft.

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Date: 27/11/10 10:30 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] htpcl.livejournal.com
The Truth is never too srs.

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