Global warming denialists favorite decade? The 70s!

[telemann.livejournal.com]

This is a video clip from "Climate Denial Crock of the Week" puts to rest one of the canards by global warming deniers: that in the 1970s, scientists predicted a global ice age, and the idea of human based climate change due to increased levels of CO2, well that was a relatively recent idea hawked by Al Gore. As you will see, all of this is utter hogwash. Considering that key committees in the House of Representatives will likely be chaired by AGW denialists, the stakes in the misinformation game by the Right couldn't be higher. I think this is a critical step by scientists, and long overdue!

Popular Mechanics - 1953 / Dr. Gilbert Plass of John Hopkins University: article on CO2 causing global temperature increases.


Bell Telephone Science documentary (directed by Frank Capra) showing ramifications of global warming due to human caused CO2 increases.


President Johnson's scientific advisory report warned of significant temperature increases by the year 2000 due to CO2.




Today in an unprecedented move the American Geophysical Union, the country's largest association of climate scientists, "plans to announce that 700 climate scientists have agreed to speak out as experts on questions about global warming and the role of man-made air pollution. The still-evolving efforts reveal a shift among climate scientists, many of whom have traditionally stayed out of politics and avoided the news media. Many now say they are willing to go toe-to-toe with their critics, some of whom gained new power after the Republicans won control of the House in Tuesday's election."


Lord Christopher Monckton of Great Britain, global warming denialist extraordinaire.

John Abraham of St. Thomas University in Minnesota, will be assembling what's called a "fast response" team to rebut denialists. In May of this year, Abraham posted an extensive rebuttal to Lord Monckton's anti-global warming lectures, given around the world (an anti-version of Al Gore, so to speak). Lord Monckton has appeared on Fox News and Glenn Beck's evening show.

Abraham's rebuttal is lucid and compelling and shows in many instances Lord Monckton is outright misrepresenting information on many topics that are favorites to global denialists, including shrinking glacial ice sheets, rising water levels, are polar bear populations decreasing, the Medieval Warming period, Co2 levels, is Solar variance to blame for recent warming etc.

Comments

[htpcl.livejournal.com]

I hope that 2008 survey of 71 periodic studies included some of the most mainstream renown science outlets. ;-)

[underlankers.livejournal.com]

Like any of this would matter to the Creationists. AGW are most of them Creationists, and they consider actual science a big conspiracy hiding that the Ark is on Mount Ararat and every culture except whites is a degenerated descendant of the original Adamic pair. And of course T. rex ate coconuts and 2 of every kind of sauropod and Indricotherium were both on the Ark without either breaking it with their sheer weight and making it one of the most uncomfortable feed houses in the history of the human race.

[mrbogey.livejournal.com]

In summation: "It's okay when we cherry pick"

That's nice, dear.

[telemann.livejournal.com]

Your skid-marks are showing, dear. Here - have a Depends.

[mahnmut.livejournal.com]

Go ahead then, pick your own cherries. I'm all ears starving.

[chron-job.livejournal.com]

Please be specific. What detail do you feel is being cherry picked? Support for the idea that there was no global cooling consensus in the 70's?

[underlankers.livejournal.com]

Be careful, want me to bring up all the Rightie-Tighties who bought every bit of Moscow's propaganda as opposed to what was actually going on in the USSR? And all the ones that considered the Apartheid regime God's gift to South Africa?

Or is that also a case of "It's only a bad thing when you guys do it?".

[sandwichwarrior.livejournal.com]

This is satire right?

Right?

[gunslnger.livejournal.com]

http://scienceandpublicpolicy.org/monckton/goreerrors.html

Everybody cherry-picks.

[devil-ad-vocate.livejournal.com]

ALERT BOB JONES UNIVERSITY! Bring on the 20 'scientists' who can refute this!

[mrbogey.livejournal.com]

The idea that global warming had consensus for decades and that there wasn't a widespread belief in the 1970s that global cooling could be occurring.

AGW advocates always run roughshod over the actual arguments. That being we can't accurately predict the extent to which the climate will change based on CO2 alone and that the measures needed to prevent it, if even possible, could be more catastrophic long term.

There's bigger environmental fish to fry. Deforestation for one. But CO2 is the vaguer threat that rallies people to demand strong central autonomy.

Been here

[reality-hammer.livejournal.com]

Debunked this before.

http://www.numberwatch.co.uk/global%20cooling.htm

http://www.john-daly.com/schneidr.htm

http://www.numberwatch.co.uk/cooling1.pdf

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ttLBqB0qDko (warning: autoplay)

http://www.masterresource.org/2009/09/the-global-cooling-scare-revisited/ (which also references the flip-flop from the 1950s)

http://www.stopglobalcoolingnow.com/?p=499 (references the 1970s ice age scare)

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,944914,00.html

etc.

Less than a second on Google.

Now that the Republicans are back in charge of the House we can stop the lies and move toward real science.

Re: Been here

[dwer.livejournal.com]

Now that the Republicans are back in charge of the House we can stop the lies and move toward real science.

Yes, like Intelligent Design!

Re: Been here

[telemann.livejournal.com]

What is "it" that has been debunked?

Re: Been here

[telemann.livejournal.com]

It's very obvious Reality didn't see any of the clip, otherwise he couldn't have typed what he did. Ya know Malasadas has mentioned it time after time, Reality either can't read, or doesn't read a post in its entirety before he revs up his comments.

[telemann.livejournal.com]

Eh?

Oh well

[geezer-also.livejournal.com]

You pick your religion and I'll pick mine ;)

Re: Been here

[kinvore.livejournal.com]

I suggest you check out this site:

http://www.skepticalscience.com/argument.php

It's kinda nifty, it addresses every denier myth and destroys them with facts.

[kinvore.livejournal.com]

Global warming has had a consensus for decades. As for the global cooling in the 70s myth that deniers have spread:


source (http://www.skepticalscience.com/ice-age-predictions-in-1970s.htm)

Re: Oh well

[telemann.livejournal.com]

Science and fact over what, exactly?

[telemann.livejournal.com]

It's obvious you didn't see or watch John Abraham's rebuttal of Monckton, specifically the point about rising ocean levels.

[gunslnger.livejournal.com]

There isn't really anyone denying that climate changes. The issue is whether it's doing so in a way that requires us to ruin our economy because otherwise we'll go extinct. The question of whether it's caused by man or not is a red herring.

[gunslnger.livejournal.com]

Not relevant.

[telemann.livejournal.com]

Most of your comments aren't.

[malasadas.livejournal.com]

A cursory scan suggests you could add Daniel Patrick Moynihan's memo to President Nixon on global warming in the future decades. It's exerpted in an issue of NY Mag this summer.