Please, God, don't send the FBI to my house

[enders-shadow.livejournal.com]

So, I'm relatively certain of what I am about to tell you, but go ahead and disagree with me:

The US govt will, at some level, scan this post and it's contents to see if it's harmless or harmful based upon the fact that I am going to talk about freedom of speech and use a phrase which, I believe, will be picked up on some filter and be observed.

In 1989 the band known as "The Offspring" made a 12 song album, the last song of which was Kill The President
[it was a pretty dark album, overall; other songs include "Beheaded" and "Out on Patrol" and "Tehran" {originally titled "Baghdad" interestingly enough}



In a world without leaders
Who'd start all the wars?
The world that you're saving
Will always be yours

Kill the president
Voice the reason
Unify with that single line
Stop the man with the power
Of the government
A leader's not the center
Of democracy

In a world without leaders
Who'd make people starve?
The world that we're saving
Will always be ours

Everyone says
Well maybe I'll make a difference
Thinking they've got plenty of time
But you're squeezed
A little tighter everyday
Punished before you commit a crime

In a world without leaders
Who'd start all the wars?
The world that you’re saving
Will always be yours

Kill the president
Voice the reason
Unify that single line
Stop the man with the power
Of the government
A leader's not the center
Of democracy

America
All of your enemies
Come from within
But you lash out so
It is seen
Like some frightened child
In an angry world
Or the fall of Rome
Your demise comes
From your own hands

In a world without leaders
Who'd start all the wars?
The world that you’re saving
Will always be yours

In a world without leaders
We might have a chance
But we'll never see it
As long as there's
Kill the president
Kill the president
Kill the president
Kill the president
Kill the president
Kill the president now!

Now, they weren't a big name band when the album/song came out, and didn't hit it big till the 90's. There was, to my knowledge, no hullabaloo about it. And maybe I'm making mountains out of molehills by even talking about it.

But, let's not ignore what is right in front of our noses. A band was able to produce and sell their music, despite it's being...well, anti-establishment [for lack of a better term]

Now, let's be clear: *I am not inciting violence with this and I don't think the band was either. I am against the violent overthrow of our government/violent intimidation of our government officials*

This speech is protected by the first amendment and, I don't think, anybody would suggest such speech should be banned. (any takers?) I mean, if you look at the album, it's clearly social/political criticism [and *NOT* a call to action--although debate that if you wish] and that, to my knowledge, is clearly protected by the 1st amendment.

So, final points:

A) Do you think this post will be watched/screened by the govt?
B) Do you think this post *should be* watched/screened by the govt?
C) What do you think of the statement made in the song: "A leader is not the center of a democracy"
D) What do you think of the statement made in the song that begins at: "America, all your enemies come from within..." and ends with "your demise comes from your own hands"
E) What do you think of the song overall?
F) Should such a song be protected under the first amendment/freedom of speech?

and for my own safety/peace of mind:

G) Let me repeat how clear I wish to be: I want no harm to come to Obama/Bush/Clinton/Bush/Carter [we got any other living presidents?] nor do I want harm to come to any of our elected officials, regardless of how much I may disagree with their politics

edit:

if the first few responses are an indication, most people will tell me I need not be afraid

but C/D/F are just as interesting to me as A/B, which, I'm not that concerned with, but better safe than sorry, ja?

Comments

[enders-shadow.livejournal.com]

Anything in response to C or D?

[silver-chipmunk.livejournal.com]

C is correct. In a democracy the leader is less important than the people.

D is overstated, but partly true. Some of America's enemies come from within. Some don't. And to a certain extent, yes, we've sown the seeds of our own destruction, but that's nothing new. All empires fall eventually from their own faults.

Overall, though I think the song is naive. A leaderless mass of people is capable of being quite vicious, and doesn't need a leader to accomplish great evil.

[enders-shadow.livejournal.com]

Well, to be fair, this was their first album, and I don't think the band (any of them) was any older than their 20's. So sure, it could be naive; while I don't doubt an individual can do evil, I'm not sure a single person can do *great* evil.

Rape and murder are evil.
Genocide is great evil.

[silver-chipmunk.livejournal.com]

True, though I'm not quite sure what it has to do with what I said. I was talking about the evil that can be accomplished by a mass of people even without a leader.

[enders-shadow.livejournal.com]

Heh, they'd need to *get* that bioweapon from someone; and w/o support from others, I don't know it could be done.

Does any one person really have the know-how/materials to single-handedly make a bio weapon?

[enders-shadow.livejournal.com]

heh, it's not so stupid; not if you wanna make a NWO
although, I don't like killing people, so yeah, it's pretty f-ing stupid

[gunslnger.livejournal.com]

It might take longer...

[rasilio.livejournal.com]

Yes, it's not even that hard.

Distributing it in such a way that it actually kills a lot of people is the problem.

Difficult for 1 man, but not impossible.

[allhatnocattle.livejournal.com]

Anthrax is common enough for an average person to find and given the right knowledge, simple enough to cultivate. However, an effective delivery system to infect (effect) considerable masses of population is the hard part.

Probably best delivery system is through community potable (tap) water. Cholera is probably most common fatal disease able to survive in potable water, although is highly susceptible to common water treatment practices like chlorination.

Looking for bio-weapon that is highly fatal yet robust to survive water treatment processes is the dream of terrorists/military. Typhoid and E Coli can be killers but again easily prevented.

What terrorists may consider is to by-pass or turn off water treatment while poisoning the water. Will take highly co-ordinated effort.

Poisoning waters with chemicals has it's own pros and cons. On the one hand chemicals and pharmaceuticals have best chance of by-passing all common water treatment practices. (huge issue for waterworks officials is that 90% of birth control (and other pharmaceuticals) bypasses the body and is pissed out into sewage, where it is know to bypass all sewage treatments and is commonly found downstream water supplies where it commonly bypasses potable treatments) However the terrorists must contend with issues of dilution as chemicals do not propagate. Not only do chemicals get diluted but most naturally break down over time. So to be maniacally effective huge volumes of said chemical must be dispersed.

Which brings us back to finding a better delivery system. Air disbursements are as effective as the timing and location of their release. Targeting a consumable product is probably most effect for poisons, and milk products especially good breeding grounds for anaerobic virus/bacteria if put in after pasteurizations.

Still, a good terrorist has a lot of study ahead of them for killing infidels with biological weapons. I think it's far easier to use bombs and other more conventional means.

[thies.livejournal.com]

chemical weapons are easier

[rasilio.livejournal.com]

1 person with no leader cannot commit genocide.

10,000 can.

The leader is not necessary once a mob mentality forms.