[identity profile] sophia-sadek.livejournal.com posting in [community profile] talkpolitics
Here is a Greenwire article about the recent Supreme Court decision to side with the Dept. of Interior on its transfer of an acre of land to the VFW in order to preserve a religious icon. This is a pretty mundane issue, but some purists may agree with the minority that this is a support of a specific cult. It may seem strange that the VFW chose the symbolic tree of state killing to commemorate WW-I deaths. At least they don't set it on fire like the guys in that white supremacist organization.

I feel sorry for all of those families of war dead who are not members of the cult in question. I don't have any immediate family who participated in that conflict. If I did, I would not feel that the VFW represented those members.

I'm perfectly comfortable with the VFW monument in the national park, especially since they will own the land under the monument. What are your esteamed opinions on the matter?
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Date: 29/4/10 17:06 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] underlankers.livejournal.com
A religion ceases to be a cult around the time it burns its first heretic.....

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Date: 29/4/10 17:07 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pastorlenny.livejournal.com
Someone needs to tell teh Jooz (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Righteous_among_the_Nations) about this right away!

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Date: 29/4/10 17:40 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] policraticus.livejournal.com
You should introduce yourself to [Bad username or site: @ livejournal.com]. I think he'd be surprised to meet you.

http://community.livejournal.com/talk_politics/512300.html?thread=36813100#t36813100

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Date: 29/4/10 17:55 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] underlankers.livejournal.com
And my opinions are ebroiled......

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Date: 29/4/10 18:14 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] eracerhead.livejournal.com
"Because they want a *World War I* memorial. This is not a non-descript military memorial, this is for a *specific war.* This is the WWI memorial (and naturally out of the way where nobody'll ever see it)."

And that monument of course has to come in the form of the christian cross.

"If we honor these non-existent dead, can we then start erecting temples to Athena and Mars Ultor to honor all the Pagans who fought and died in the battlefields of the US Civil War (who, BTW, in case you don't get it never existed to start with)?"

So your theory is that there were no Pagans, Atheists, Jews, or Deists who fought in WWI or the Civil War? Your attitude is exactly why things like this matter. Of course a cross is appropriate, because in the old days everyone who mattered was christian.

War memorials should be non-religious or else we run into the situation where every religion needs to be represented.

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Date: 29/4/10 18:23 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] underlankers.livejournal.com
1) Well, it's not like the people fighting in World War I were singing the praises of Huitzilopotchli, now is it?

2) No, my theory is that if it was Jews objecting they'd actually have a point because there were a lot of Jews that did fight in the war. Buddhists were technically excluded by a series of racist legislation at the time and so didn't amount to much of the population that fought. The Jews really did fight, the Buddhists who died only exist in Hollywood History.

Besides, it would be one thing if this were a generic memorial to say, California soldiers. This is a memorial to World War I. One is not the same as the other.

Re: Slack!

Date: 29/4/10 23:17 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] allhatnocattle.livejournal.com
slack is only half the equation. I got slacks. Polyester/cotton blend in lime green. Pockets deep enough for two sets of hands.

Hmmm

Date: 29/4/10 23:27 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] geezer-also.livejournal.com
That is actually an interesting thought, I shall have to ponder it.

Re: Grilling...

Date: 29/4/10 23:58 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] policraticus.livejournal.com
Oh please.

Grilled onions glazed with balsamic vinegar? Grilled summer squash with extra virgin olive oil and rosemary? Grilled asparagus with white truffle oil and shaved parmesan? Grilled corn on the cob? Heck, how about grilled peaches with lemon thyme, butterbean honey and marscapone?

Vegetables and the grill... perfect together.

The Whole Truth

Date: 29/4/10 23:59 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ofbg.livejournal.com
From this article: http://www.nytimes.com/gwire/2010/04/28/28greenwire-supreme-court-sides-with-interior-on-mojave-de-46043.html

"Congress had authorized a land swap with the Veterans of Foreign Wars, trading 1 acre of land around the cross in exchange for 5 privately owned acres elsewhere in the preserve."

Congress passed a bill requiring the swap (transfer) by the National Park Service. It was not a giveaway.

Read the damn books:

Date: 30/4/10 01:12 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] underlankers.livejournal.com
And in the 1880s the Chinese Exclusion Act was passed. While in the 1900s the Japanese Exclusion Act was passed.

Re: Good point.

Date: 30/4/10 01:16 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] underlankers.livejournal.com
Pffttt.....at that point it ceases to be an entity in its own right and becomes one with the rising and falling fortunes of the world power. Just ask the Buddhists.....

Re: Hmmm

Date: 30/4/10 01:20 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] underlankers.livejournal.com
The opinion of an educated, worldly Roman of the Julio-Claudian era about the early church would have been about the same as that of people today as regards schisms in Neopaganism, as 21st Century Neopaganism and 1st Century Christianity have equal influence on the geopolitics of the societies they were present in......

Re: Hmmm

Date: 30/4/10 03:03 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] geezer-also.livejournal.com
After thinking about the 1st comment, I'm almost positive I understand what you meant. The second comment I just had to read 3 times to make sure I parsed it correctly, and that was fairly easy. The problem is, now I have to figure out just exactly how they fit together.....Oh well it's Thurs, and I have quiet.
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