[identity profile] futurebird.livejournal.com posting in [community profile] talkpolitics
There is some buzz about the poll result published in the NY Times today that says that tea party members are more well-off and more educated than average Americans. Some folks have been surprised by this data, others suspect it is false due to poor polling methods or bad self-reporting of education level. I, however, think it's spot on-- at least, it matched my impression of the tea party members from the beginning.

I have no idea why so many liberals have it in their heads the teabaggers are simply “rednecks” or “white trash” (to use two more problematic labels.) This old, just above middle class, white male conservative demographic is one I’m familiar with. It’s the base of the Republican party. The “core” if you will. I think when people witness the absurdity, the bigotry, the racism, homophobia etc. the thought is to assume it must be from uneducated people. The idea that educated people can’t be racist is one of the great lies we have in this country. It is very comfortable to point a finger at a poor uneducated racist– less easy to realize that you may have gone to college with some of these folks. (I know I did–)

I don't think that education does much to make people less racist. Some of the most virulent racists are highly educated. Take John Derbyshire for example. His ideas about race are right out of the 19th century. But he imagines himself an intellectual, no doubt. He's even written a book about prime numbers. (As a graduate student in mathematics I submit it is not a very good book, it's pithy, and it is not worth buying at all.)

I have a theory about these folks. Most of them have worked pretty hard, and they are doing “ok” becuase of it, they are also doing “ok” because of white privilege, male privilege- but, I would not wait around for them to recognize *that* –the point is, they did pay their dues, to some extent, and they believe in the American dream (you see those flags) but what they can’t understand is WHY they aren’t millionaires yet– A upper-middle class liberal like myself can recognize the vast divide– the ~classism~ that makes it very difficult for me to go from “well off” to millionaire. I don’t take “the American dream” at face value. I work hard, but I’m under no illusions that through hard work alone the sky is the limit– I recognize my luck, my privilege, and I don’t really think I’m fundamentally different or better than most poor people.

But, these folks just *know* they are better than the poor. They think their work should have limitless rewards. They have started to hit the ceiling– since even for a straight white male from a middle class background, there are *still* ceilings– you are not the child of warren buffet. He won’t ever ask you over for diner. But, I think they assume that what's holding them back are the successes of "undeserving" minorities like myself. These are the folks who *assume* I'm getting help from 'affirmative action'-- when, in fact, I had to work harder than they did to get to the same goddamed place.

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Date: 15/4/10 19:32 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] light-over-me.livejournal.com
Yea, I remember when the coverage first started-- back then they were all well dressed "yuppies". Then suddenly they morphed into sloppy "rednecks and white trash". It changes with whatever the current big issue is... then when health care was the big debate, they all morphed into really old retired people on medicare. They can't quite decide what narrative to stick to.

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Date: 15/4/10 19:39 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] debergerac.livejournal.com
plus the internet's omnipresent misspelled signs of unknown origin and racist allegations add to the image.

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Date: 15/4/10 20:02 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] light-over-me.livejournal.com
Various commentators, bloggers, and pundits in the news media.

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Date: 16/4/10 09:02 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gunslnger.livejournal.com
From the two videos I've seen of people at a Tea Party event (granted it was that fake Tea Party Express crap), they were mostly pretty young and about equally women and men. I thought the recent NYT poll showed that there was more women than men, but it might have been some other poll, I can't recall now.

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Date: 16/4/10 18:54 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] light-over-me.livejournal.com
I have seen a lot of women too.

I'm female, and still in my 20s.

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Date: 16/4/10 02:39 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lordtwinkie.livejournal.com
media coverage can be so slanted and sometimes its so subtle and other times its really in your face but if you can't see the context what they show you becomes reality.
actually reminds me of this media manipulation of an antiwar rally a while back
http://www.zombietime.com/sf_rally_september_24_2005/anatomy_of_a_photograph/

this whole tea party thing all reminds me of the anti-bush/isreal/war/republicans/conservatives/corporations pro-democrats/palestine/communism/liberal/anarchy rallies out in cali

http://www.zombietime.com/hall_of_shame/

i find it kind of funny how the "left" is all of a sudden in a huff by some of the rhetoric and signage they are seeing.

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Date: 16/4/10 18:53 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] light-over-me.livejournal.com
i find it kind of funny how the "left" is all of a sudden in a huff by some of the rhetoric and signage they are seeing.

I agree. So far I haven't seen anything worse than from anti-Bush/war rally. So I'm not sure why some of these same people are getting so offended all of a sudden.
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Date: 16/4/10 18:50 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] light-over-me.livejournal.com
Yeah, people 45 years old, and older, have spent a number of years now working and paying income tax. They've had children, careers, mortgages, and life experience. Some of them have maybe tried running their own businesses by that point.

I wonder how much income tax those college aged anti-Tea Party protesters who showed up at the rally in Boston have paid? If anything at all. And I don't mean "paid" then got it all back in the end. But actually paid in, and owed.

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