[identity profile] futurebird.livejournal.com posting in [community profile] talkpolitics
Some of the time I feel like things like "net neutrality" and issues of freedom of expression and surveillance take center-stage in our progressive communities and issues like public housing, welfare, min. wage, work safety, don't get much attention at all. If your main concern is addressing poverty and inequality things like "net neutrality" might seem hopelessly abstract. In the same way, I think that some progressives just don't get a lot of issues that are related to poverty and ongoing racism.

"Progressives" need to do a better job of getting to know organizations that work with poor and minority communities. More cross-pollination. There's this gap-- and, frankly, the people with the most resources should do the most reaching to bridge it.

In NYC I've seen good progressive ideas fail since a large number of working class and poor Democrats just don't "get" what the progressives are talking about. It's really easy for whatever lobby it is that benefits from the legislation not getting passed to use some populist BS to piss off these Democrats and get them to pressure the elected officials for the dumbest things.  And who can blame them?  Progressives rush in at the last moment breathlessly explaining their pet policies. I think some of the organizations who focus on class, gender and race issues just say "where were you when we needed your help?" But in the end everyone loses.

When I have tried to talk about this in the past suddenly EVERYONE who is a self-identified progressive is also suddenly so very "working class" --and they get in a huge huff since they think I'm calling them a bunch of latte-drinkers.

Well, goddammit, a lot of progressives do drink lattes and we (yes, I said "we") don't know enough about the issues that matter to poor and working class Democrats or what the hell we can do to address these issues. In addition, a lot of self-identified progressives don't really 'get' issues that involve race or gender that well either.

ACORN should still be around. 
So, who's next? The far Right was successful in taking this organization down. And this isn't abstract, it's serious. I have seen the positive impact that they had and it will leave a huge gaping hole.  So, since it worked, you can bet the Right is going to do it again. If we let some of our people end up isolated as ACORN was they won't be able to fight back-- I don't think ACORN spent any money on PR people, they wanted every penny to go to the work. That's idealism, and they were eaten alive becuase of it. It doesn't have to be this way, though, if enough people step up to the plate to protect the people who are doing the good work-- maybe we'll get to know each other better and be a more powerful because of it.

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Date: 10/4/10 16:14 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com
I didn't know anyone strongarmed ACORN into trying to facilitate for an underage brothel.

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Date: 10/4/10 17:18 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] eracerhead.livejournal.com
Except that they did no such thing.

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Date: 10/4/10 23:41 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] penguin42.livejournal.com
The entire national organization?

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Date: 11/4/10 02:28 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com
Was by no means implying the entire organization.

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Date: 11/4/10 02:27 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] chaeri.livejournal.com
no, actually, they didn't. The guy who was asking for information was doing so to call the cops - which he did as soon as O'Keefe left. unedited tapes as well as the CA Attorney General's findings can be found here (http://ag.ca.gov/newsalerts/multimedia/index.php).

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Date: 11/4/10 02:29 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com
Yes, that's one person. Not all the ones who were in that position.

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Date: 11/4/10 02:36 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] chaeri.livejournal.com
I have watched those videos and I have seen no one actually encouraging prostitution.

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Date: 11/4/10 02:37 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com
I'm not sure you've watched them, then.

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Date: 11/4/10 02:39 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] chaeri.livejournal.com
I did. I would have to know what part you were referring to. Asking for more information because they want it to call the cops != encouraging prostitution. Telling a young woman she can find housing despite being a prostitute != encouraging prostitution.

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Date: 11/4/10 02:50 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com
Your hyperfocused on the California case as if it were the only one.

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Date: 11/4/10 03:08 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] chaeri.livejournal.com
that was the one that brought down ACORN, and is the subject of the OP, so that's what I thought you were talking about.

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Date: 11/4/10 03:12 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com
Not really. The entirety of the situation is what brought down ACORN, not just California.

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Date: 11/4/10 03:49 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] chaeri.livejournal.com
Not true. There are other, isolated incidence but they didn't get nearly the publicity the O'Keefe tapes did. Those were what brought down ACORN.

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Date: 11/4/10 12:07 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com
...right. All the tapes, not just California.

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