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talkpoliticsLeft and right take on different forms because of that pesky other axis - the following observation concerns the American left and right. Something similar may be true for other countries, something similar may be true for no other countries.
The right - who claims to be for a small, limited, standoffish non-intrusive government - LOVES law enforcement. Many will go as far as altering the flags colors to show support (yes, that flag - wild huh?).
The left - whose solution to all of life's problems is 'let daddy government fix it' - far less trusting of law enforcement - usually around 40/50 points lower in approval polls/surveys.
Is this backwards? Maybe not a complete flip flop from what you'd assume (because there are other unmentioned factors at work) - but there is some contradiction here, yes?
Is neither side aware that the government and police are the same team?
Hypothetically, if the left ever succeeded in getting some/most/all guns taken up - who does everyone think will perform the taking up? The answer seems obvious - would everyone just act surprised?
On the other hand, it's probably best there is a divide here - if everyone held the same opinion of LE - favorable or unfavorable - it would likely be disastrous.
The right - who claims to be for a small, limited, standoffish non-intrusive government - LOVES law enforcement. Many will go as far as altering the flags colors to show support (yes, that flag - wild huh?).
The left - whose solution to all of life's problems is 'let daddy government fix it' - far less trusting of law enforcement - usually around 40/50 points lower in approval polls/surveys.
Is this backwards? Maybe not a complete flip flop from what you'd assume (because there are other unmentioned factors at work) - but there is some contradiction here, yes?
Is neither side aware that the government and police are the same team?
Hypothetically, if the left ever succeeded in getting some/most/all guns taken up - who does everyone think will perform the taking up? The answer seems obvious - would everyone just act surprised?
On the other hand, it's probably best there is a divide here - if everyone held the same opinion of LE - favorable or unfavorable - it would likely be disastrous.
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Date: 14/6/21 17:48 (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 14/6/21 18:01 (UTC)I know more than a handful of people that have them, but I don't know any of them well enough to ask why.
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Date: 14/6/21 21:21 (UTC)Local Twitter comment this month:
https://twitter.com/meg_anne_read/status/1400140080279343112
From February 2021 in Ottawa:
https://globalnews.ca/news/7656019/ottawa-police-chief-bans-thin-blue-line-patch/
From 2020 in Toronto:
https://toronto.citynews.ca/2020/07/27/controversial-version-of-canadian-flag-displayed-at-opp-union-building/
And I do consider this version of the Canadian flag to be a perversion.
(no subject)
Date: 14/6/21 21:52 (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 14/6/21 18:06 (UTC)> The left - whose solution to all of life's problems is 'let daddy government fix it'
I assume the over-simplified generalization is deliberate?
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Date: 14/6/21 18:09 (UTC)(no subject)
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Date: 14/6/21 18:24 (UTC)But generalizations are generalizations because the things they state are generally true. How many right wing politicians will harshly criticize police? How many lefties will praise them?
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Date: 16/6/21 18:46 (UTC)Is this about something else?
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Date: 17/6/21 16:59 (UTC)Government is not a substitute for community, parents, or spiritual/moral leaders. Give it too much responsibility or leeway and it will begin to strangle all three, either by accident, or deliberately.
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Date: 14/6/21 20:13 (UTC)The left likes their social programs, and it seems infrastructure. Although how you square a huge infrastructure program with reducing carbon emissions is another question. Anyhow, social programs are expensive, because redistributing wealth is by nature expensive. If you spend enough on social programs, somehow you don't need cops, in fact, needing cops means you're not spending enough on your social programs.
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Date: 14/6/21 20:46 (UTC)(no subject)
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Date: 15/6/21 08:45 (UTC)As far as the original post is concerned, it is much more fractured here in the almost-UK. The blatant corruption and media manipulation of the media by our present government (most English folk don't have a clue as to what is actually going on) has meant that informed and honourable conservative people like Peter Oborne and Sir Max Hastings are siding with the left.
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Date: 14/6/21 20:49 (UTC)