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www.snopes.com/news/2020/04/21/vietnam-has-reported-no-coronavirus-deaths-how/

For the TL;DR chaps, basically by being incredibly fascist about things combined with testing and compulsory quarantine and some total lockdowns of villages and towns they've kept the numbers ridiculously low.

So it appears that states which opt for a totalitarian response combined with mandatory testing (the Vietnamese testing kits cost $25 each) can limit the infection rate and death toll.

And it seems that this virus has an odd pattern in any given nation. It targets liberal capitalist democracies with entrenched freedoms more than totalitarian nations, as well as targeting BAME folk within these liberal capitalist democracies more than other folk too.

The freer a nation is, the worse its death toll will be. Mind you, Australia and New Zealand have pretty good figures too, and they are liberal capitalist democracies - just they got their responses sorted in time. Unlike the UK and US, and poor old Italy; which never stood a chance being the canary in the mine, so to speak.

It is becoming apparent that there is a correlation between lower mortality rates, and swift and severely sensible responses; and a smidgeon of totalitarianism and the odd draconian measure also seems to help.


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Date: 22/4/20 18:18 (UTC)
From: [personal profile] mikeyxw
Sorry, to be clear, I wasn't saying subcontract out the NHS but the part of PHE (I mistakenly called it NIH earlier) that deals with pandemics. This isn't an attempt to privatize it, just to give the duties over to the folks who, well, dealt with this pandemic. This isn't aimed at the NHS or the hospitals in the US, but results do matter.

I also posed it as something we should question. Left to itself, I expect the CDC will, in a few years, issue a report with some new procedures that will supposedly fix the problem of not following the procedures that led to the testing fiasco. Perhaps PHE is the type of organization that learns from their mistakes on their own, unlike the CDC who spent two weeks blaming the state health departments for problems with their test.

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