The Don's week in a nutshell

[luzribeiro]

The week ended so well. Hawaii governor David Ige tells CNN that someone "pushed the wrong button" during an employee shift change, sending out the false alert about an incoming ballistic missile...

Well, at least we know two things now. One, a button does exist after all; fortunately, it's not the one on Trump's desk. Thank goodness. Oh and two, the alert system works. Great!

By the way, the wonderful US president was playing golf at the time this happened. His excuse? That Obama had done the same during the NYC ebola outbreak. Just following the standard that's been set, you know. He works for an average of two hours a day, after all. And might be a bit busy right now fending off new allegations from porn actresses while his surrogates are occupied explaining to a quarter of the world how he didn't really mean what he said.

Naturally, Trump's being blamed for the false alarm in Hawaii. Who else.

Comments

[luzribeiro]

The hell are you talking about, and what does it have to do with what I said?

[halialkers]

You said he created a dangerous confrontational atmosphere with North Korea. If they chose to rescind an armistice lasting from 1953 in its anniversary year where was this alternative peaceful non confrontational relationship with an impending nuclear war?

Trump makes it more dangerous. The delusion he created it or that North Korea wants negotiations in the first place is just that. Alternatively they built arsenals after agreeing not to because they are trustworthy negotiating partners. And rescinded the 1953 armistice because Obama was a much worse and far more evil monster than Trump.

Those are the only ways to believe the North Korea issue states in 2017 and the 1953 DMZ standoff with a massive military machine is a stable situation lacking confrontations and dangers of nuclear war.

[luzribeiro]

No I said HE IS BEING BLAMED for creating a confrontational atmosphere.

Why should *I* be "reminding" you of anything? It's not my argument. I'm transmitting someone else's argument. Again, why should *I* be arguing on someone else's behalf? The issue I'm discussing is NOT whether he's being rightly blamed for what he's being blamed, the issue I'm discussing is WHAT he is being blamed about. Are you incapable of sensing the nuance here?

Why are you strawmanning me, man?

[kiaa]

Too many people just read the title (or in cases like these, the first sentence; or rather, parts of the first sentence), and they've already got an imaginary argument they could exercise their rhetorical prowess upon.

And that's why debate has generally devolved to the level of third-graders.

[halialkers]

And my point is that he's being misblamed because people across the world, as Srebenica proved, will more readily blame the United States than the actual people doing wrongful acts if those people aren't already Americans.

He deserves censure and arguably the 25th Amendment by means extralegal if necessary for invoking a stupid-ass war. The blaming of Trump alone is standard evasion of the reality that economic hit men conspiracies aside, people in other parts of the world will do what they want to do without the American Empire's role being necessary or more than a cheap rationalization.

Rest assured, were we in Earth-Two with Hillary Clinton in the Presidency everyone blaming Trump for all this would blame her with the exact same rhetoric and it would be the United States' fault that North Korea is firing weapons over Japan.

[luzribeiro]

You didn't answer my question.

[halialkers]

You didn't like the answer I gave you, that doesn't mean I didn't answer it.

I said that Trump is misblamed because a mess decades in the making is accelerating under him. The rhetoric about evil warmongering Hillary would not wither on the vine if she threatened a nuclear war with North Korea any more than the realization that Mr. "Withdraw all US troops from NATO" might actually start one led to the appearance of that kind of rhetoric toward him.

Unlike a lot of people I remember the media narrative about her in 2016 so I have very good reasons to believe she'd be seen as even more evil and warmongering than he is even if their actual deeds were about the same in bodycount and effectiveness.

Obama waged an eight year trainwreck in Yemen without accountability. Hillary probably would not get that or she probably would because we Americans love our empire dreams too much to admit the cost.

"He's being blamed for creating a paranoid confrontational attitude with North Korea" can only work if you literally delete the country's history since 1950 and act under the assertion that North Koreans are mind-controlled robots incapable of initiating any action on their own whatsoever and have no responsibility for their despots' building ICBMs with clear intent to use the things.

He's blamed to avoid dealing with the decades in the making disaster unfolding and how the world, globally, let the Korean standoff moulder until the Corpse Kingdom gained the arsenal and brutality to make itself a credible threat again.

[halialkers]

In short, if he's blamed for it, the people blaming him for it think the existing situation is what? Stability? Sunshines and rainbows?

It's been a tense mess that's stuck and ossified since 1953. I'm not strawmanning you, I'm literally noting that your words about the people blaming him are wrong.

If you can't remember what you typed, that's your problem.

[luzribeiro]

My question was very simple and very specific. I will repeat it again for clarity.

Why did you choose to use a strawman? Why do you expect me to defend a point I never made? You're doing it here again. I remember very well what I typed. I said he's being blamed for creating a confrontational atmosphere. And you asked me why I think he's creating a confrontational atmosphere. Except that's not what I said.

This is infuriating. If you really wanted to make amends with people, you're failing big time.

[halialkers]

I think the problem here is a failure to communicate.

I said that the blaming of him for creating that atmosphere is a selective adherence to reality by the people doing so.

When I asked you to defend an assertion you did not make, I made an avoidable error and I admit it and apologize to you for that.

Even so, the issue dates to the 1990s. The people blaming him are not using reality-based thinking to do so. And if we try to solve situations in reality without applying reality, that will fail 100 times out of 100 it's tried.

[luzribeiro]

The failure is not mine. I was very clear in my statement right from the onset. It was you who decided to respond to someone who wasn't even in the room, asking me to "remind you" of things that were relevant to some other conversation that I wasn't even having at the time.

Stop typing before thinking, and you won't have to apologize over and over again.

[halialkers]

Maybe. We'll see if that actually applies in the future. :)