[identity profile] htpcl.livejournal.com posting in [community profile] talkpolitics

Hey, h'America! It's been a great/disastrous/??? day for democracy, hasn't it? See, we've had our own Mityo "Pishtova" (The Gun) for presidential candidate around here too, and though he couldn't win the election despite promising free meatballs and lemonade for everyone who dared vote for him, seems like the h'American* version of Mityo has earned a brilliant and shocking victory.

Well done, h'America! You've completely jumped the shark now, and proven to be the most [insert expletive containing intelligence-related overtones]** nation on this fucking planet. One thing is for sure: there'll be a lot of LOLs from here on. But even more cringes.

Some say h'America is fucked in terms of domestic policy. We the people around the world may've seemed concerned about his foreign policies as well, but given PresidentDouche***'s general stated proneness to leave the rest of the world to their means while enjoying himself around his casinos and leaving the folks in his team run the country, this might not be such bad news for us (can we see some hiatus from the frantic nation-building that we've seen lately, heh?) Conversely, this could spell disaster for international politics, as various rogue players would be sure to probe the ground and test how far they could push things - which brings us to PresidentDouche's unpredictability in terms of reaction to their actions. But we'll see.

What matters though is, if PresidentDouche keeps even 10% of his promises and intentions, h'America is truly fucked domestically - and that's bad for the rest of the world in the long run, because it can't help reflecting on the rest of us. The public has reacted to years of elitist disconnect in the ugliest and stupidest way possible, so in a sense this is really a reactionary step backwards. One that now, in hindsight, doesn't seem as shocking and unexpected as it did a while back.

This, from a foreigner's perspective.

As for the complex maze that is the US political system, the checks'n'balances that have been put there from day one, will probably smoothen PresidentDouche's douchiness somewhat. Granted, that largely depends on whom he encircles himself with, from now on. Something tells me Congress, even GOP-dominated, won't let him Make America Great Again the way he imagined - whatever that means - and for good or for bad.

Ultimately, the result shows two more things. One: populism is winning big these days (and not just in h'America), because people feel hugely disenfranchized and disconnected from their rulers. And two: all the polling agencies, pundits, analysts, and all the collective harpies that call themselves the media, can go die in a fire. Their projections and predictions are worth less than a cat's poop. Whatever they say, the people appear to think otherwise - if most of them are able to think, anyway**.

* An old joke around these parts: h'America, the lamer side of America. Long story. I intend to call her so for the duration of PresidentDouche's tenure. Trademarked!
** Care to bet what % of the populace are capable of autonomous critical thought? My observations have pointed to roughly about 5%. Although that could vary from country to country.
*** There used to be a PresidentMoron website, dedicated to updating news of GWB's stupidity daily. It has been down for years, but a new niche seems to have opened in its place now. We'll be all ears. The showmen around h'America and the world will sure have a lot of work in the upcoming years.

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Date: 9/11/16 08:26 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] paft.livejournal.com
LOLS?

I was afraid of this. I suspected there were going to be more people voting for Trump than would admit it. I kept remembering a section I'd read from a memoir by a woman who'd survived Nazi Germany. She said that everyone in the office where she worked denounced Hitler, reviled him as a clown, a buffoon, etc. The day after Hitler became chancellor, a co-worker walked into the office, smirked, took out a Swastika pin and proudly put it on his lapel, announcing "It's about time!"

It was a passage I always remembered, maybe because it illustrated how insidiously the unthinkable can slither into power.

We had a referendum on racism, social darwinism, and malicious stupidity. The racists and social darwinists won. I have doubts about Trump actually governing for long. It's quite possible we're going to end up with Pence as the acting president, who in some ways is worse because he seems to be a competent rather than incompetent authoritarian.

Thousands of people may now lose access to healthcare. Women are at real risk of even less reproductive choice. Minorities, gays, immigrants are now at risk. And given Trump's attitude towards Global Warming, so is our planet.
Edited Date: 9/11/16 08:31 (UTC)

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Date: 9/11/16 08:38 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] abomvubuso.livejournal.com
That's called the "prestige vote", yes. People first say and appear to be intent on voting one way (possibly for being potentially ashamed of saying otherwise), then they go and vote otherwise.

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Date: 9/11/16 08:40 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] paft.livejournal.com
They do it because they know what they are supporting is indefensible.

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Date: 10/11/16 08:26 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] abomvubuso.livejournal.com
I actually think it's deeper than that. That's what happens when you paint everybody from the opposite camp with a broad brush, automatically labeling them a basket of deplorables and all sorts of bad names without even asking them about their actual stances on the issues - they just lay low before the election in reaction, and don't report their true intentions. And then, come election day, they show you the middle finger. And we're all very surprised.

I get it, plenty of people would like to think that only one side is responsible for the deep rift that goes through American society, but reality might be much more complex than that.

Plus, there's the complacency in the Clinton camp that was largely created by those same media that supported her. It didn't allow her base to realise the real threat and get incentivised enough to go and vote - they just took her victory for granted, and they were duly stunned.

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Date: 9/11/16 08:36 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mahnmut.livejournal.com
Let's see who'll keep their promise and emigrate to Canada now.

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Date: 9/11/16 08:39 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] paft.livejournal.com
Did someone here make that promise?

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Date: 9/11/16 08:46 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] paft.livejournal.com
So nobody here did. Got it.

I know at least one person who has considered accepting a job in Canda, mainly because of the healthcare system. Since now his access to healthcare could be seriously at risk, he may make the decision to move. Can't blame him.

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Date: 9/11/16 09:29 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mahnmut.livejournal.com
Not that I remember of, no one here did.

Others have. I understand them too. My prediction is though that there won't be a mass exodus of Americans to Canada. There hasn't been one at any of the previous occasions when many people have half-seriously vowed to emigrate north if their preferred candidate didn't win.

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Date: 9/11/16 17:25 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] abomvubuso.livejournal.com
"Every election, there's that chorus of people who insist they are moving to Canada if candidate so-and-so wins. Everyone knows these people. They're tweeting and Googling about it as you read this". (source: NPR (http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/11/09/501352852/canadas-immigration-website-has-been-down-for-hours))

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Date: 9/11/16 08:40 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] abomvubuso.livejournal.com
It's curious that Trump ran on many consecutive elections, but won this one. Seems like the moment was ripe for populism to burst onto the surface.

There are deep reasons for this, and many conclusions to be drawn from it. America (and the world, by extension), will have to drink this glass of bile to the bottom if it is to learn the lesson.

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Date: 9/11/16 08:44 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] luzribeiro.livejournal.com
FBI Uncovers Al-Qaeda Plot To Just Sit Back And Enjoy Collapse Of United States (http://www.theonion.com/article/fbi-uncovers-al-qaeda-plot-to-just-sit-back-and-en-35788)

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Date: 9/11/16 22:07 (UTC)
garote: (machine)
From: [personal profile] garote
Ahahahahahaa!!!
Do the footprints lead back to the rear entrance of the FBI headquarters? That would be funny on top of funny...

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Date: 9/11/16 09:54 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] airiefairie.livejournal.com
Well, at least pot has been legalised in California...

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Date: 9/11/16 15:42 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] chron-job.livejournal.com
Bongs and Circuses.

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Date: 9/11/16 11:20 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] luvdovz.livejournal.com
Curious this (http://metro.co.uk/2016/11/09/the-simpsons-predicted-president-trump-16-years-ago-as-a-warning-to-america-6245205/). Prophetic?

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Date: 9/11/16 18:24 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dreamville-bg.livejournal.com
Curiously, Hillary actually won more votes than Trump. In any other country, she would've won the election too. But not in America.

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Date: 9/11/16 21:38 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] oportet.livejournal.com
You foreigners have always teased us about being (semi) run by the same two families for almost 30 (rounding the corner to 40) years.

PresidentDouche, for better or worse, just pushed both of them out of the control room in a little under a year (officially speaking anyway - for those worried the Bushs and Clintons don't have any pull or power going forward - I doubt that is anywhere near true, but we'll pretend anyway).

This is America taking a chance - should Trump fuck up bad enough - we'll probably clone some kind of Clinton/Bush hybrid, swear it in and throw away the voting booths.

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Date: 9/11/16 22:08 (UTC)
garote: (machine)
From: [personal profile] garote
Was Obama part of that family de-facto, despite beating Hillary?

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Date: 10/11/16 02:50 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] oportet.livejournal.com
Not exactly, but he put her in a pretty high position (hence, the semi) - maybe she wasn't in the drivers seat - but she was in the front seat, or maybe a window seat in the back....

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Date: 10/11/16 12:00 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] oportet.livejournal.com
I'm not saying that's the number one thing voters were conciously thinking of - but it could have made some difference

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Date: 11/11/16 09:48 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dreamville-bg.livejournal.com
Did anyone notice that Trump was the first president-elect in a long time not to finish his acceptance speech with "God bless America"?

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