[identity profile] luvdovz.livejournal.com posting in [community profile] talkpolitics
Exhibit 1. It's time to start taking Donald Trump's scary foreign policy views seriously

"But while Trump may lack an ideology, he definitely has policy views on key issues such as Russia, China, and ISIS. Some are nationalist, some economic nationalist, some more dovish, and some defy categorization. Many of these ideas track with what he's said about foreign policy for years. Put together, they're an eclectic plan to take US policy and put it on a totally new course — often in some fairly radical, and fairly scary, ways."

Exhibit 2. Donald Trump's Foreign Policy Plan Would Give Putin Exactly What He Wants

You're getting my drift, I suppose. Trump = dangerous. Re: Europe, while he's somehow making Mexico pay for that beautiful big wall (which, as it turns out, would neither be beautiful, nor would it be cheap, nor is it going to be paid for by the Mexicans, but anyway, don't let fact and reason get in the way of a nice demagogic narrative), Trump apparently plans to exit NATO and disengage from Europe. Or something. Because this worked oh-so-well before WW1, didn't it? Oh wait...

Re: his hypothetical eye-to-eye interaction with tovarysch Putin that he doesn't stop blabbering about, the KGB man is definitely going to dominate The Donald in any face-to-face dealings they may have. A shadowy KGB career plus a reputation as a back-dealing bully in a very rigorous political system... vs a TV celeb self-proclaimed "success guru" (who really isn't that). You may've guessed which the safest bet is, and who's going to be empty-handed in those dealings. On the upside though, in the worst-case scenario with a Trump presidency, he might be safest disengaging from Europe and leaving the field to the big-league players. Shall we say good riddance?

Ps. In the meantime, The Donald has already started shaping his foreign-policy team of advisors. And the news ain't pretty. From corrupt cronyists, to guerrilla trainers, to all sorts of losers in the field. Surprised, anyone? Guess not.

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Date: 23/3/16 19:28 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] abomvubuso.livejournal.com
If only geopolitics worked that way. You look them in the eye, they look you in the eye, and whoever blinks last, wins the negotiations. That's not a western movie, for goodness sake.
From: [identity profile] aurfin76.livejournal.com
If US leave NATO the market share of US corporatios in Europe starts to decline.

Putin has a plan to replace production of US corporations by native Russian production, the plan is called "importozameschenie" that means - replacing import goods with domestic. Will US corporations support Trump as perspective Putin's ally?

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Date: 23/3/16 20:10 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] abomvubuso.livejournal.com
If he wants to make some money out of trade with Russia, they better. Except, Putin's domestic protectionism won't leave him too much leeway to operate on the Russian market. Even if it does, that'll be on Putin's terms. And Trump (and the US corporations) may not like that too much ;)

And geopolitics is only partially about trade. There's also the striving for control of resources.

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Date: 23/3/16 23:30 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mikeyxw.livejournal.com
Go figure, a candidate who has made it this far by offering simplistic, populist answers to difficult domestic issues is offering simplistic, populist answers to foreign policy issues as well.

Contradiction in his relation to Putin

Date: 23/3/16 19:34 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] aurfin76.livejournal.com
Trump declares US to withdraw from Europe, Middle East etc. But Putin wants to increase influence and meddling there. So US escape from Europe is what Putin wants to start dictate its will. Putin does not share Trump isolationists ideas.
From: [identity profile] aurfin76.livejournal.com
No contradiction, agree. Trump is indeed a loser, billionare-loser. And he declares policies to hurt the winners.

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Date: 23/3/16 20:28 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] htpcl.livejournal.com
Oh, he sure as hell does share Trump's isolationist ideas regarding America.

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Date: 23/3/16 19:35 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] oportet.livejournal.com
The reason for his plans to meet and talk with Putin is the exact same reason as Obamas plans to meet and talk to Ahmadinejad - to gain some votes by appearing to be a bridge between us and another country we aren't close to. It's only meant to be taken literally until you vote for them.

Guerrilla trainers - that could actually be useful - but Jeff Sessions. and the other names who have been behind foreign policy decisions for the last 20 years - kind of disappointing. So much for winning so much we get tired of winning.





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Date: 23/3/16 20:17 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] airiefairie.livejournal.com
All that guerrilla training worked out so well in the end with our friends the Mujahideen in Afghanistan...

Lessons are there only to be put in some history books and never be learned, obviously.

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Date: 23/3/16 20:31 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dreamville-bg.livejournal.com
Let's face it, folks. The moment Trump gets sworn in (heaven forbid / infinite LULz FTW / whichever you prefer), all his "plans" for withdrawal from the world stage fly out through the window. Same has happened with Obama, same will happen with any future US president. They just can't help it.

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Date: 24/3/16 00:28 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] underlankers.livejournal.com
I'd actually favor a serious US drawdown from the American Empire because we're overstretched and Empires do horrible things to the rulers, let alone the poor sorry bastards on the receiving end. Trump's idea, if actually implemented, would be the kind of chaotic bullshit that created the mess of the 1920s on steroids. Though I think Putin's smart enough not to start a continental war when he can't even overrun Ukraine. At least I'd hope he is, American idiots who posture wrongly about military power are dangerous enough, Russians don't need to add to that.

I'm not entirely clear what real purpose the US Army serves in Europe now other than maintaining that global logistical network. Empire has a self-sustaining inertia all its own, but just because that can be so doesn't mean it should be so. Trump is a disaster, but at this point he's essentially buggered the GOP political sphere beyond recognition so he may essentially be laying the groundwork for a total implosion in the next few months. Hopefully Hillary can ride it out with fair ease.

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