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[luvdovz.livejournal.com]

Obama gives Congress Guantanamo closure plan

About fucking time, eh? Not that the guys who believed the plan was unacceptable the first time, would believe it's any more acceptable this time around. Shame the fearmongering Congress doesn't trust US prisons, hmmm. And in the meantime, they're so hell-bent on keeping the steady influx of prisoners for the profit of their fat buddies from the private jail industry.

In the meantime, the wild promises keep coming from all sides. What wouldn't some people do to get a few more votes from the "base". For instance, Rubio has vowed that if he's elected (not gonna happen), future captured militants would not be granted a federal court hearing. "They are going to Guantanamo, and we are going to find out everything they know", he said. Well, thanks inquisitor Rubio for your approval. Now let us continue with the inquisition. Because torture totally yields results, right?

Here's the deal. Either charge the prisoners and try them, or let them go. If I were one of those prisoners and I had had over a dozen years of my life wasted by being locked up and tortured for no clear reason, I sure as hell would devote the rest of my life to hunting down and killing Americans. As for hypocritical Americans, your commitment to human rights is paper-thin. But then again, nobody is surprised about that anyway. This atrocity of a place should've been closed years ago. It's a stain on America's credibility. Beacon of freedom and liberty? Pfeh. Do you take us for a bunch of idiots?

Comments

[nairiporter.livejournal.com]

Can he actually do such a thing? I mean, without the Congress?

[badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com]

No, he can't, because he needs to get the approval to move the prisoners due to other rules/laws in place. And Congress won't take this up.

[airiefairie.livejournal.com]

Too little too late? It has been a stain on America's reputation for far too long. Unrealistic intentions and poor execution all along the wway haven't helped much in this respect, either.

[underlankers.livejournal.com]

I don't see the EU states willing to take in any of these people and try them themselves. Nobody else is, in fact.

If you're (by which I mean the leadership of the EU and the anti-American political parties within the European parliament, not you specifically. You actually do and have tried to solve things as an individual and I respect that) willing to bash the USA for continuing the problem but not to solve it.....then again how much credibility does the EU have with opposing dictatorial regimes when it allows Hungary, Poland, and France to do what they do? It's not exactly saying EU states prioritize freedom in a sense of actually getting up to do something about it. Them who live in glass houses do not get to throw stones.

[luvdovz.livejournal.com]

Not interested in entertaining your red herrings and tu quoques. When you're prepared to address the actual issue at hand, be sure to inform me.

[underlankers.livejournal.com]

I'm sure you're not interested in discussing why this happens:

http://www.nltimes.nl/2015/09/22/report-netherlands-rejects-guantanamo-bay-prisoners-us-very-disapointed/

Or this:

http://content.usatoday.com/dist/custom/gci/InsidePage.aspx?cId=freep&sParam=35264820.story

I mean it's all well and good to call for the place to be closed, but if nobody's willing to put them elsewhere, all that does is provide more newspapers and Internet articles to be published while the problem remains a running sore.

Or alternately one just comes to the conclusion that the people desiring it to be closed, in the usual pattern, expect that the same state they see as initiating the human rights abuses can be trusted to solve them, permitting their own hands to remain clean and establishing the kind of basis that only applies to First World states, as no Third World state would be trusted to be impartial with people it tortured.

Then again the perks of being the Empire is you don't actually adhere to standards you expect the subjects to do so. Eh.

[luvdovz.livejournal.com]

LOL, an actual American, you know, of the country which caused the Syrian crisis but is now refusing to take Syrian refugees, is preaching to me about a tiny European country refusing to take prisoners from a conflict that the US created, from a jail that the US created?

ROFL.

You're a total joke.

Either address the issue in the post or fuck off.