[identity profile] luzribeiro.livejournal.com posting in [community profile] talkpolitics
I should know better. I shouldn't read the comments below news articles...

"The elite has a plan for the Islamization of Europe, and they're implementing it quite successfully".

Bull-fucking-shit. The so called "elite" has no idea what they're doing. This proneness to overestimate the elite's capacities is ridiculous. In fact, the elite is inadequate. It's out of touch.

There's no conspiracy. There can't be a conspiracy, simply because those morons whom we designate as "the elite" are incapable of pulling it out without fucking it up right from the get-go.

That doesn't mean that some other questions are not at least a tad more valid than this. For example, the US has "advised" Europe to deal with the refugee crisis on its own, "because it has the capacity to cope with it". This comes across a bit cold, especially given the fact that in countries like Iceland, the people themselves (as opposed to the government) have rallied behind the cause, and are showing what solidarity truly means. You know, that same solidarity principle that mostly exists on paper somewhere in the EU manifesto.

So, the US has announced they are prepared to indirectly assist the EU with the refugee crisis, but they would not accept refugees on US soil, because "Europe has the capacity to deal with the problem on its own". Meanwhile, in his typical manner, Putin has said what many might be thinking, but probably dare not say: that the West, particularly the US, are responsible for the refugee crisis in Europe, because they have been pursuing a policy of exporting liberal democracy to the Middle East without taking the local peculiarities in consideration. Or something to that effect. He's scoring easy points, isn't he? And yet, that point may warrant some introspection.

And the last question I'm going to put (although I'm not expecting an answer) is, how come the wealthy Gulf states have accepted zero/zip/nada Syrian refugees so far? I mean, look at this:



What the fuck?

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Date: 6/9/15 19:11 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dreamville-bg.livejournal.com
Re: the Gulf motherfuckers. They do it because they can. And because they're selfish.

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Date: 6/9/15 20:51 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mahnmut.livejournal.com
how come the wealthy Gulf states have accepted zero/zip/nada Syrian refugees so far?

Because they're assholes.

but they would not accept refugees on US soil

Same explanation.

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Date: 7/9/15 07:19 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] johnny9fingers.livejournal.com
I'd say the elites know exactly what they are doing: making more money than the rest of you.

Worshippers of Mammon aren't interested in Islamification, just more money. Some folk really do appear so dense that they blunt Occam's razor. I'm not surprised that it makes rational folk like you seethe.

Putin has a point, but I am reminded of the biblical analogy of motes and beams.

You would have thought that Muslim nations would help out Muslim refugees, but I guess the wealthy Gulf states actually worship Mammon too.

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Date: 7/9/15 12:48 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] abomvubuso.livejournal.com
You're reading the comments sections because just like anyone else, you can't resist plunging into all that stupidity and idiocy - i.e. just for fun!

While we're about idiocy, I've been seeing calls for a revolution and the violent overthrowing of "the system" (whatever that's supposed to mean), which allows for such "outrages" like the peaceful accommodation of Middle Eastern and African refugees. Apparently, the author of said proclamation (again seen around the comment sections under news articles) was advocating for the restoration of the Third Reich or something - in any case, he was citing relevant parts of Mein Kampf, which he appeared to have learned by heart. The commentator even alluded to "the final solution", hinting that Europe might have to resort to it once more if the situation goes out of control. At which point I felt I was going to throw up in my mouth a little, so I stopped reading.

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Date: 7/9/15 21:34 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ddstory.livejournal.com
And Sarkozy is back from whichever hole he hid himself in, and is now spouting the "exotic" idea of setting up "repatriation camps" for refugees in countries outside of his convenience zone the Schengen territory. Despite the fact that this would be a direct violation of all international law, UN conventions, and EU treaties. But he's playing by the populist tune, hoping to score points and return as his nation's savior. Or something.

Perhaps there really should be camps - for people like Sarkozy.

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Date: 7/9/15 14:00 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] htpcl.livejournal.com
If anyone still believes either the Russians or the Americans are doing anything regarding the Syrian conflict or the Syrian refugees out of sheer sympathy for their respective Syrian "friends" (be they Assad, the Jihadists, or the presumably "moderate" rebels), then they're dwelling in fantasy world. There are no friendships in geopolitics. Just interests. Russia has an interest to keep their base at the Mediterranean, while America is interested in removing Russia's last base from the Mediterranean. Iran has an interest to complete the land corridor of Iran-friendly governments so they could deliver oil to the Mediterranean, while Saudi Arabia is interested in disrupting that plan. Israel has their own interests in the region. And Egypt, and Turkey as well. Vast amounts of oil have been found in the sea near Cyprus, and all these players will be scrambling for the nice ports in Syria and Lebanon. It's all interests, brothers and sisters! Friendship, principles, empathy and solidarity, or simple human relations - that's all bunk for those sort of people.

And the dumbest thing in all this is that there'll always be a horde of convenient claquers who'll be providing a chorus of applause for whichever respective side they've chosen, or yell and bark at the opposite side. And most of them genuinely believe they're doing it for their own good, mind you. Voluntary pawns - that's what they are. Be they pro-Russian, pro-American, pro-European or whatever. Meanwhile, what remains for the normal human relations? They sink through the gutter, that's what happens.

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Date: 7/9/15 17:20 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] luvdovz.livejournal.com
Not that the refugees would want to go to any Gulf state, anyway. They're generally treated as second-class citizens there, most are unemployed, and those who have jobs are paid a fraction of the average salary there. They could be kicked out easily under any pretext, and they relinquish a number of civil rights at the moment they cross the border of a Gulf state. It's no surprise that most of these refugees prefer to take the long and risky road west, where many of them become prey to traffickers.
Edited Date: 7/9/15 17:20 (UTC)

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