Talk politics.

She's a government employee. Her job is to uphold the laws. If she doesn't like them, she can leave. You don't get to keep your government job AND sabotage its very purpose.

She can take her ~~bigotry~~ beliefs home and keep them there.

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The fact that Eric Holder and Hillary Clinton both still have jobs is strong evidence to the contrary.

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Unsubstantiated partisan assertion presented in the form of a standard talking-point: check.

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Unsubstantiated?

Are you seriously going to deny that Clinton did not use a private server to conduct official business? Or that David Petraeus (then Head of the CIA) was stripped of his TSC and No-Forn clearances for the much more minor breach of taking work-books home with him?

Are you suggesting that Brian Terry and Sandra Dolezal were not killed by guns belonging to federal agents?

If so it is you making the partisan assertion presented in the form of a standard talking-point.

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And which standard talking point might that be? Care to formulate it for me?

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Same one Clinton has been pushing since the 90s, that allegations of and objections to democratic misbehavior are the product of some "vast right-wing conspiracy (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uI_SqqJIU14)" rather than actual misbehavior.

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And where have I said that? Do you want another one of those endless strawmen of yours reported? Do you want another two weeks off?

Are you actually aware what a talking point is?

Edited Date: 24/9/15 21:25 (UTC)

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Another day (http://talk-politics.livejournal.com/1950958.html?thread=148915182#t148915182), another deliberate strawman (http://talk-politics.livejournal.com/1960273.html?thread=149112657#t149112657), quite obviously meant to aggravate the interlocutor. This isn't your first time. Hell, it's not even your dozenth time at this point.

Just a day after you were reinstated, you're proving that you haven't changed anything about your conduct. You haven't learned anything. Adding fallacies to the long record of ad hominems (http://talk-politics.livejournal.com/2000789.html?thread=149990293#t149990293), name-callng (http://talk-politics.livejournal.com/1987671.html?thread=149707095#t149707095), etc. And you're doing this on the VERY SAME THREAD where you were handed your latest suspension (http://talk-politics.livejournal.com/2010881.html?thread=150164225#t150164225)! You're basically taking off from where you left.

Fuck that shit. This won't be tolerated for a minute.

I won't waste too much breath on you from here on. I don't think you'll be given too much leeway at this point. Be informed that unless you COMPLETELY abandon these disruptive tactics, you're very close to a permanent ban now.

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luvdovz.livejournal.com

How did Clinton sabotage the purpose of her job?

I don't think you know what exactly a "talking-point" means.

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johnny9fingers.livejournal.com

I feel sorry for her in her wrongness and bigotry. And yes she is culpable: for not doing the right thing by resigning when her religious beliefs and her statutory duties came into conflict.

But, in general, if I have to apportion blame, I would blame the mish-mash of religious beliefs and selectively literal Biblical interpretations which her newly-found faith has lumbered her with.

It appears many bigots are bigots because they adhere to belief systems which encourage bigotry.

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mahnmut.livejournal.com

Isn't any dogmatic doctrine inherently prone to nurturing bigotry? Especially religious ones.

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johnny9fingers.livejournal.com

Indeed.

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stewstewstewdio.livejournal.com

Kim Davis believes that marriage is a sacred union between 1 woman and a bunch of men. She's been married 4 times. OTH, courts aren't fond of being pissed on, especially the US Supreme Court. Yes, people are entitled to believe what they want. They are not, however, legally entitled to impose twisted versions of their religious beliefs on other people. That's what terrorists do.

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Kim Davis is like the terrorists - hmmm, if anything, I'm liking the passion in this sort of argument. And that warrants a DailyQuote!

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Religiously, spiritually - I have no idea where I am at this point in life. I was raised Christian - with teachings overlapping from four different denominations. This isn't what I remember though.

I could've sworn Jesus mentioned something about loving everyone. I definitely don't recall this level of hate being around, but I was a kid/young adult - maybe I was just sheilded from things like that.

I'll still stick up for Christianity sometimes - whether I'm a true believer or not, because I believe (or have believed) the teachings can have a positive effect on one's life.

Being away from the church for so long though, I'm not sure if it's full of likeminded people, or if it really is based in hate now.

I would hope it is the former, but numbers are declining - so that points to it being the latter, or people like me (or eventually will) assume it's the latter.

Edited Date: 4/9/15 12:00 (UTC)

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I also remember Jesus having gone as far as to use violence to make a point against the traders who had usurped the entrance to the sacred temple. And yet, nowadays I'm seeing all sorts of charlatans making lots of cash at the expense of the gullible pious folk, using their religious zeal for profit. And the traders are again at the entrance of all temples.

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This I can confirm. I've become somewhat maniacal lately about doing bike tours around our local cultural sights of interest, and many of them are Orthodox Christian monasteries. Well, you could find a whole shopping street in front of virtually every monastery around here. People are selling all sorts of stuff right at the doorsteps of the temple, using the opportunity that the large number of visitors provides them with. Case in point: this is right in front of the Bachkovo Monastery near my town, which I visited a couple of weeks ago:

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She's an elected official, so she can't be fired. But she can be jailed for contempt, or charged with dereliction of her official duties.

Some people are stubbornly insisting on continuing to misunderstand and/or overlook the separation of church and state. It's on them.

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I feel sorry for her, because she is obviously being used by groups like Liberty Counsel who have no concern for her best-interests (else they would be advising her of what the law and Constitution really say) but are more concerned with letting this drama play out for as long as possible because the more "losses" she suffers, and the more they can paint her as a martyr for the faith, the more donations they can extort from the sheep whose outrage they are continually stoking.

Regardless, I fully support this outcome. She had a job to do. She refused, and that refusal caused injury-in-fact, giving standing to sue her. She lost the suit, and the judge ordered her to do her job. She refused again, and now she will pay the legal cost for having violated the orders of a sitting judge. (And again, this is Liberty Counsel's fault. Coercive punishments for contempt are generally supposed to use the least possible power to ensure compliance. Since groups like LC are paying her fines, they would not be coercive, and hence the judge had to go all the way to incarceration.)

Apart from my distaste for her personal bigotries (which really aren't the legal issue at play,) she is simply wrong about the law, wrong about the Constitution, and if she wanted to take a moral stand, could have done the truly courageous thing and resigned. As it stands now, she has a choice to continue sitting in jail (until her term is up) or agree to follow the judge's orders. With the potential for lucrative book deals and a career on the religious-right talk show circuit ahead of her (and a "testimony" about her brave martyrdom for the faith) I somehow doubt she's going to cave any time soon.

Edited Date: 4/9/15 14:49 (UTC)

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I suspect that this more about finding something to distract the 24 hour news cycle from Trump, Hillary, and the shooting in Harris County TX.

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Trump and Hillary themselves are a distraction from the fact that they're all puppet clowns.

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Of who? the Lizard people?

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Of their respective party elites, whose interests they represent. But I do find your reference amusing.

Edited Date: 6/9/15 15:37 (UTC)

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Wait, are you saying Hillary Clinton is independent of any influence? ;)

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Regardless of your opinion on same sex marriages, I like the idea of public officials whose job it is to uphold the law getting tossed out on their asses for not upholding the law. Imagine if mayors of “sanctuary cities” or Attorney Generals who got caught abusing their power got the same sort of treatment.

Of course the true Irony of this whole mess is that Kim Davis is a Democrat. She defeated Republican John Cox in the November 2014 election to become Rowan county clerk.

Meanwhile Judge David L. Bunning, who had Davis arrested was appointed by George. W. Bush.

Edited Date: 5/9/15 05:28 (UTC)

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And? Does their party affiliation what really matters to you in this case? If that's the case, then I pity you for your pettiness.

Edited Date: 5/9/15 06:42 (UTC)

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Sure it does, just as it mattered to you in, this case (http://talk-politics.livejournal.com/1992748.html).

The Irony come for the fact that we have a teachable moment for so-called progressives on why the "rule of law" is preferable to the "rule of (wo)men" but they are too wrapped up in their own identity politics to see it. Thus exposing just who stupid and bankrupt those politics are.

I pity you for your ignorance.

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Oh, you do keep tabs on people, then. Care to explain which party membership that was?

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> I pity you for your ignorance.

Here we go again.

You know what (http://talk-politics.livejournal.com/2000789.html?thread=149990293#t149990293)?

Fuck off.

Bye until September 20.

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Step off the ad hominem track. Last warning before the cards start flying.

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As a private citizen she's entitled to her beliefs but as a county clerk she's a government official who swore an oath to uphold the laws. Besides
didn't the Bible say "render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar's"?

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