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Israel is going to have more of the same for the next 4 yaers, it seems: from deep freezing of the peace negotiations with the Palestinians, to a hard stance on the ongoing tedious negotiations about Iran's nuclear program, to additional tensions with Obama's administration and the EU.

Rather than turning a new page (as most forecasts suggested), the Israeli voters handed another victory to Likud, the center-right (and now, right-wing-leaning) party of Bibi Netan-yahoo. That came as a surprise to most analysts, given the polls which seemed to suggest a stalemate with the main opposition party, the center-left Zionist Union. In the days before the vote, Likud was trailing on #2 in the polls. But Bibi sharply hardened his tone in the final week, and managed to mobilize the votes of the ultranationalist far-right. And now his supporters will be expecting him to fulfill his categorical election promises.


The snap election was called at the end of last year, because Netanyahu wanted to form a more stable government after some tensions with some key partners in the center-right coalition had emerged. Now the final results give 30 out of 120 seats to Likud, and 24 to the ZU. On the 3rd place (14 seats) comes a morass of parties dominated by the Israeli Arabs, who are united for the first time. All of this gives Netanyahu a mandate to form a center-right coalition government, but first he'll have to collect 61 seats to form a majority. He's about to chair a cabinet for the 4th time, and become the longest-serving Israeli PM.

He has stated that he's planning to form a government within the next 2-3 weeks. He has already talked with some parties that he deems potential partners, including far-right and ultra-orthodox formations, plus the centrist Kulanu party (10 seats). Their support will probably be the key factor, so Netanyahu was smart enough to offer them the ministry of finance to their leader Moshe Kalon, former social minister and communications minister in previous Likud governments.

There are three types of parties who could enter this coalition. One, the far-right formations representing the settlers, like Jewish Home. Two, those of the ultra-orthodox Jews. And three, the more moderate center-right ones like Kulanu. Right now, the question is if Netanyahu would turn to the centrist Yesh Atid party. He could have the majority without them, but still, getting them on board would give him a chance to come across as the leader of the entire center-right, rather than just the right.

In the days before the election, Netanyahu showed exactly why he's known as a formidable player. He managed to eliminate the distance from the ZU and even prevail eventually. That this happened in the last moment was only possible after a sharp turn to the extreme right, at least in terms of rhetoric. In a blatant act of backpedaling on prior commitments, he said he wouldn't allow the creation of a Palestinian state (although he later promptly toned it all down and said he does want a two-state solution, "but the circumstances have to be changed first"), and warned of the "horrible consequences" for Israel if he lost the election (but of course!). In his words, the Israeli Arabs were mobilized to vote en masse, so his supporters had to mobilize too and flock to the polls. He also made a series of outrageous promises, which if turned real, would hugely undermine the relations with the US and Europe (which are already pretty bad), like a promise to build thousands of new settlements in the occupied territories.

In his campaign he focused on topics related to state security, while his opponents and many voters consider the main issue of the day to be elsewhere: the deteriorating economic situation, the expensive living standard and the sluggish economic growth. In other words, it's again the economy, but Bibi has been either too stupid or cunning enough to avoid that topic - depends how you look at it. Because he knows full well that this is the one area where he has failed miserably during his tenure. But the larger part of the Israeli voters are still sympathetic with the right, no matter if they're nationalists, settlers or ultra-orthodox Jews. National security and the safety of the settlements in the occupied lands is for them by far the more important issue than the economy. For now. Obviously, there's still some room for deterioration before things get really unbearable, and the whole thing explodes into Bibi's face.

The leader of the Zionist Union, Isaac Herzog has of course congratulated Netanyahu for the victory, and wished him good luck. "This is not an easy morning for us and for those who share our direction", he and his co-leader Tzipi Livni commented. The ZU has criticized Netanyahu's domestic policy and stated support for finding a solution to the Palestinian problem that's based on the two-state solution, and promised to restore the relations with the Palestinians and the international community.

But it was the hawkish position of Bibi and his aides on this and other topics that has made them so popular among the rightist voters, although it did turn Bibi into a highly polarizing figure. And now chances are that this will deepen even further. In recent times, Netanyahu has led a very right-wing campaign, and has definitely won thanks to that. Having in mind his prior actions, we could expect that he'll stick to that for the most part from now on. Even if he eventually includes some centrist parties in his coalition, Kulanu and Yesh Atid are not centrist in terms of foreign policy, but rather in terms of the economy. So none of them would support significant concessions to the Palestinians, and they do share the same POV on Iran with Netanyahu. So if they join his coalition, the deal would be that they'd be granted economic portfolios, while the PM will be dealing with foreign policy.

From a Palestinian standpoint, the result of the election is a cause for serious concern, and will likely increase their determination to defend their cause in any way possible, including through the International Penal Court. Saeb Erekat, the chief Palestinian negotiator in the peace negotiations with Israel (which failed last April), has said that the Palestinians will continue to pursue their goal of getting their own state. He commented that Netanyahu's victory has shown "the success of a campaign based on settlements, racism, apartheid, and the rejecion of fundamental rights for the Palestinians".

After the US elections, the EU and UN had said they were expecting Israel to continue the Middle East peace process. But later, the White House rebuked Netanyahu for having abandoned his commitments to negotiation and the creation of a Palestinian state, and condemned the divisive and marginalizing rhetoric that he used in his election campaign, which was clearly directed against the Israeli Arab voters. And of course, FOX has noticed that Obama did not immediately congratulate Bibi for his victory - not that this should be so surprising, given Bibi's controversial recent visit to DC.

The parliaments of France and the UK have already conducted non-binding votes on the recognition of Palestinian statehood, and Sweden has gone even further, officially recognizing the state of Palestine. The Western countries in principle refrain from such drastic steps, believing that everything should be settled through negotiation. But now that Netanyahu has clearly shown that he's abandoning the two-state principle, this argument has become almost impossible to defend. And meanwhile, the danger of a new bloody escalation in the conflict between Israel and Hamas in Gaza is lurking behind the corner. But maybe that's exactly what Netan-yahoo and his allies want. Because it could provide them further validation.

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Date: 23/3/15 18:15 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kylinrouge.livejournal.com
Wait, Israel literally has a party called the Zionist Union? And it's the Leftist Party?! And the Bibi party won?!

Israel... y u do this...

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Date: 23/3/15 18:39 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ddstory.livejournal.com
So actually nothing new is going to be happening in Israel for the next few years.

Can you imagine how shocked I am right now?

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Date: 23/3/15 20:57 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] telemann.livejournal.com
Hm.

Given what's happened over the last three weeks, my worst fear is what would happen if Bibi says "Screw the Iranian deal that's being brokered by the United States," because no one is going to threaten the security of Israel, and if he thinks Iran is getting close to obtaining atomic weapons, and then launches a unilateral pre-emptive air strike on Iran. And his walking back his earlier statements about not supporting a two state solution, how cynical. Right out of the Frank Luntz playbook.

What a mess.
Edited Date: 23/3/15 21:00 (UTC)

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Date: 23/3/15 22:07 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kylinrouge.livejournal.com
he thinks Iran is getting close to obtaining atomic weapons,

Since 1992, yes. Or maybe even the 80s.

and then launches a unilateral pre-emptive air strike on Iran.

He's not that dumb.

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Date: 23/3/15 22:44 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] telemann.livejournal.com
He's not that dumb.

Considering what he said prior to the election, I think it's quite possible that he is that dumb.

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Date: 23/3/15 23:40 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kylinrouge.livejournal.com
The same stuff he's been saying for decades. Sometimes when someone cries wolf too many times...

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Date: 24/3/15 01:11 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] telemann.livejournal.com
He's been saying he's opposed to a two state solution for decades?

No, of course not. And even if I was just referring to the Iranian threat (which I wasn't), and regardless how long he's been talking about it, if Bibi thinks the Iranians are close to getting a nuclear weapon, regardless if it's factually true or not, I don't think it's that farfetched he would order a pre-emptive air strike on Iran, given his actions in Gaza despite enormous pressure.
Edited Date: 24/3/15 01:22 (UTC)

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Date: 24/3/15 15:00 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kylinrouge.livejournal.com
If Bibi said he was ever in favor of a one state solution or two state solution, he never made any meaningful attempt to bring this about. He's a politician, his actions speak louder than his words. In 2009 he pretended to be in favor of a two state solution but kept sabotaging the negotiations. He's a career liar.

if Bibi thinks the Iranians are close to getting a nuclear weapon, regardless if it's factually true or not, I don't think it's that farfetched he would order a pre-emptive air strike on Iran, given his actions in Gaza despite enormous pressure.

This isn't Iraq circa 1992. Bombing Iran would be suicide.

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Date: 24/3/15 15:20 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] telemann.livejournal.com
This isn't Iraq circa 1992. Bombing Iran would be suicide.

A distinction that doesn't matter. And I never said Bibi was particularly smart.
Stupidity has a bad habit of getting its way.

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Date: 24/3/15 19:39 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kylinrouge.livejournal.com
The same way George W. Bush isn't smart? Come on, people like this don't get elected if they're stupid. Bibi knows exactly what he's doing and exactly who he's pandering to with his actions.

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Date: 24/3/15 19:54 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] telemann.livejournal.com
Welp, I think elected officials are just as liable to mistakes as anyone. And I don't think because they get elected makes infallible or never make mistakes of judgement.

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Date: 24/3/15 22:10 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kylinrouge.livejournal.com
Please don't fallacy me. I said he was smart, not 'infallible'. And it would take a monumental act of idiocy to bomb Iran.
Edited Date: 24/3/15 22:11 (UTC)

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Date: 24/3/15 22:54 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] telemann.livejournal.com
But being smart enough to get elected doesn't mean he can't commit an act of idiocy (monumental or small or super-sized) in an area rife with them. Considering what the election cost him, for the stupid mistakes he made, I don't think that makes him (especially) smart anyway.
Edited Date: 24/3/15 23:03 (UTC)

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Date: 25/3/15 05:13 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kylinrouge.livejournal.com
He knows he needs US support for any action against Iran. He knows he won't get it. So he can say whatever he wants to appease his base, then blame foreigners for not letting him go through with it.

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Date: 25/3/15 01:30 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] underlankers.livejournal.com
In the case of Gaza the logistics and the enemy are very simple in military terms. Going all the way to Iran to strike three or four divided nuclear sites no doubt very heavily armed with weaponry Iran is concealing and lying about for very good reason given the Osiraq precedent, is a completely different animal. It's the equivalent of kicking the dog versus kicking the rabid Kodiak bear.

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Date: 24/3/15 21:07 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] underlankers.livejournal.com
His intelligence level doesn't matter, without US or Saudi help (insofar as the two are different) he can't do it anyhow. He doesn't have the ability to fly that many planes that far to hit a widely distributed program that's as bomb-proof as Iran can make it. And since unlike Israelis or Americans Iran has a lot of experience of war-fighting at an aerial disadvantage, they probably know more about proofing their stuff than Israel or the USA or Saudi Arabia would about bombing it.

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Date: 24/3/15 09:01 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] abomvubuso.livejournal.com
This just in:

Report: Israel spied on Iran nuke negotiations (http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2015/03/23/israel-spied-iran-talks/70360804/)

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Date: 24/3/15 16:15 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] underlankers.livejournal.com
Not that anyone should be surprised an unreconstructed terrorist movement that elects murderers like Begin would double down on what's ultimately self-destructive for Israel. The only reason that state will keep on trucking for a long time to come is its 400 or so illegal nukes.

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Date: 24/3/15 21:06 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] underlankers.livejournal.com
It's to the credit of South Africa that it's the only state to actually have the atomic bomb and then give it up once it possessed it.

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Date: 24/3/15 23:01 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] telemann.livejournal.com
Absolutely, it's a tremendous credit..

Gratefully so did Sweden, Brazil and Argentina and listened to sanity by giving up their nuclear weapons programs. (http://www.newsweek.com/nations-gave-nuclear-bombs-78661)

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Date: 25/3/15 01:28 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] underlankers.livejournal.com
Of the three, Sweden had the best reasons to do it given that it was part of the Soviet Union's near abroad and the USSR was never a comfortable neighbor to have. That it still gave them up facing whatever would come after a USSR speaks even more to its credit than South Africa's case. As with its six nukes at the height of the program it was the only nuclear-armed state in the region, but facing the same ace in the hole that Israel does, it still opted to give it up.

Which means that for all its totalitarian evil that the apartheid regime ensured still in many ways hasn't really changed all that much, South Africa literally is morally superior to Israel on a crucial tenet of international law.

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Date: 25/3/15 01:30 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] telemann.livejournal.com
Yep. I'm happy they all gave up their programs.
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Date: 25/3/15 01:28 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] underlankers.livejournal.com
Palestinians don't have the military power *for* a Third Intifada.
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Date: 25/3/15 02:51 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] underlankers.livejournal.com
They tried that, it ended in the First Intifada. And as the First Intifada showed, even if Palestinians weren't engaging in active violence and the Israeli Army rampaged through the territories shooting them with impunity and even taking a leaf from the USA at Abu Ghraib and stacking its victims in pyramids the USA would inflexibly back Israel to the hilt.
Edited Date: 25/3/15 02:52 (UTC)

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