Dread Scott in action

[luzribeiro.livejournal.com]

FL DEP Employee Suspended and Forced to Obtain Medical Release for Mentioning Climate Change

So much with the sacred Freeeedoooom of Speech, eh?

First off, here's a stupid question. So if a state employee in FL replies to an email containing the phrase "climate change", do they have to edit the reply text or what? Does the IT head have to edit the words in their email archive? Someone explain this to me please, for I am confus'd.

As for King Scott the Great, I say great job, King Scott! I'm sure he must merely be practicing how he would run the rest of the country if he becomes king, oh wait I mean POTUS... Mind you, these are the same right-wingers that call president Obama a dictator or king (or an apologetic sissy, depending on the circumstances).

What I'm at a loss abut is how can the voters in that state, or any other state, keep voting for these completely phony slimeballs who would pull the switch on anyone who doesn't donate millions to their campaigns, and who'd shit on the very same things (freedom of speech including) that they keep shoving into the public's faces over and over again.

You know, I used to get mad at right-wing scum like this guy who say off the wall shit on a daily basis - but now I just smirk at the people who voted for them. And laugh even harder at the people who didn't get out an vote, but then went on to rant about the  "current state of affairs". Yeah, you heard me. The people who don't vote are responsible for these disgusting, despicable, disgraceful cowards who inhabit the Party of Scrooge, weaned on the Cock (sic) brothers, who in a normal country would be deemed fringe wackos with no place in real politics, and should probably even serve time for their corruption-inspired perversion of democracy.

On a side note, and using the same or a similar logic, if we're to go on a banning spree about things that are considered "not true fact", then shouldn't the Bible and all things related to it also go down, eh? Or this thing ain't quite like that other thing, too?

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[luvdovz.livejournal.com]

"In a complaint against the state, worker says he was accused of violating policy and instructed to get a mental health evaluation after mentioning climate change (http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/mar/19/florida-employee-forced-on-leave-climate-change)".

So he's nuts for believing, nay, mentioning climate change, is that right?

These guys have gone off the deep end, now officially.

[nairiporter.livejournal.com]

What.....

[mahnmut.livejournal.com]

Flori-duh. Do they want more of it? You bet their backwater-suckin' science-hatin' Jesus-lovin' ground-standin' masochistic racist asses they do.

[luzribeiro.livejournal.com]

Say with me. Jeb Bush for prez!

[mahnmut.livejournal.com]

Now wouldn't that be hilarious.

[mahnmut.livejournal.com]

Ok.

[dexeron.livejournal.com]

There are some pretty solid reasons why many in my part of the state have been making lots of noises about splitting off and forming our own state. I don't think it will ever actually happen (there's not really any precedent for a state seceding from another state to form a new one in the U.S., and there's tons of logistical and economic wrangling that would hold it up for years if they ever tried, specifically: who gets to keep the cash cow of Orlando?) but the issue of folks in Tallahassee making decisions that are completely ignorant and unrepresentative of the interests of those of us in the southern part of the state has been an ongoing argument for decades. It almost led to the capital of the state being moved to the aforementioned Orlando, so that the majority of folks aren't literally 7 or 8 hours drive away from their local representatives, but that move was countered and nothing more ever came of it.

I mean, look at this map.

http://www.politico.com/2014-election/results/map/governor/florida/#.VRAKeo63rO8

Yes, much of our state is Republican and conservative, but there are huge segments that are blue, and those segments represent massive concentrations of population. And those people, who represent a really large portion of the overall state population, have a very hard time having their concerns listened to, even when they vote. We're simply overwhelmed by the rest of the state.

I don't think just splitting off is necessarily the answer: do we want states to start Balkanizing every time an issue doesn't go their way? Still, its advocates do make a tempting case: at some point, the continuing lack of representation begins to grate on one's patience, and people want to be heard.

[mahnmut.livejournal.com]

Never head of Florda separatism. I've heard of Californian separatism, but this is news to me.

What would the map of the separate Floridas look like?

[dexeron.livejournal.com]

That's the real question, because both parties would want Orlando and Tampa. The line would probably run vaguely from east to west somewhere north of Lake Okeechobee, but how far north really depends on the answer to that question.

Of course, things could get really interesting if Disney World forcibly annexed everything in the greater Orlando area, and declared itself an independent entity, to deny both of us the privilege. ;)

[telemann.livejournal.com]

(there's not really any precedent for a state seceding from another state to form a new one in the U.S.)

There is West Virginia during the Civil War, but it occurred under some unique circumstances; and the two states were locked in lawsuits for nearly 60 years after the war was concluded. It was a legal mess. I think several counties in Northern Georgia very nearly separated from their state (mostly counties in the mountain areas that had no slaves and were against succession). That's mentioned in the book The Cousins' War (http://www.amazon.com/The-Cousins-Wars-Religion-Anglo-America/dp/0465013708) by Kevin Phillips.

[dexeron.livejournal.com]

I was thinking about West Virginia when I wrote that, but yeah, in terms of peacetime, it's something that's often talked about, but I don't think has ever come close to succeeding (or seceding, hah!)

[telemann.livejournal.com]

but I don't think has ever come close to succeeding (or seceding, hah!)

Hehehe ;)

[underlankers.livejournal.com]

Granted, based on the actual reprimand, it seems this is Kos being a bit more Kossack than honest. However even then I don't really think that a convicted felon is in a position to wag fingers at other people for honesty or professionalism in their own behavior, nor that a state willing to elect felons to high office is in a position to expect this. This may be my entirely jaundiced experience of professionalism ala Jindal talking, however.

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[luzribeiro.livejournal.com]

Thanks for fighting the good fight for The Truth!

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[htpcl.livejournal.com]

Is the ban of the mentioning of "climate change" in Florida also a fabrication?

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[htpcl.livejournal.com]

Please do, and get back to me with the result of your investigation.

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[htpcl.livejournal.com]

> it doesn't fall on me to ensure that your opinion is well-informed
> Do you disagree that

I suggest that you don't worry about my opinion. And it's not constructive to ask questions in response to a question. If you really do want to engage me in constructive conversation, you'd refrain from what you did in your very first line there. Perhaps you'd understand at some point why some would rather not go through the rest of your comments if you keep opening them with that sort of rhetorical tricks. Perhaps not today, though.

Frankly, my patience with all this is nearing zero as of now.

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[htpcl.livejournal.com]

WTF, more talking about talking?

How can you seriously expect a CONSTRUCTIVE conversation after a bullshit statement like, "after reading this post, I'm not sure any more". Seriously!?

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[luzribeiro.livejournal.com]

Way to endlessly whine passively-aggressively. OK we got it. The OP mislead you, time to get over it already.

And don't tell me you get your news from posts on Livejournal. That's disingenuous, and is solely aimed to take yet another stab at the OP. I think you've done that enough already.

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[htpcl.livejournal.com]

That's enough. Back to your corners. NOW.

[dexeron.livejournal.com]

Yes, the whole "no saying climate change" issue is a pretty horrible one (and since you're expressing skepticism on that, please let me know if you do find anything more on that, because up until now, everything I'd read seemed fairly straightforward, and while "this is totally not out of character for Rick Scott" isn't an argument, well... seriously, it's not) but reading the actual reprimand makes this look more like a dude who decided to use his job to be a petulant ass about his personal advocacy. Now it might be that the whole issue of climate change politics in Florida got him so frustrated that he just kind of threw up his hands, said "FUCK IT" and decided to go out with a bang instead of a whimper (or maybe a tantrum) but it really doesn't look like he's being disciplined for "speaking truth to power" or anything like that.

Argh, my freaking state.

[kylinrouge.livejournal.com]

Yeah, but they should at least be able to talk about the things they're allegedly governing...

[kylinrouge.livejournal.com]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jo3K7rbkWZQ

[telemann.livejournal.com]

Yeah, and there isn't much "freedom of speech" for employees that work for private companies either. Generally speaking, the courts have been pretty consistently bad on employee "rights." (not that I agree with their positions).

[underlankers.livejournal.com]

Freedom for thee but not for me! The conservative dogma ever since the first ape decided that since papa ape and momma ape chipped the flint like so, that was the only righteous way it could or should ever be done! And if the whole world burns as a result of attempting to hold back the tides with simple mumbo-jumbo, well what of it? It's not like these people realize that a global problem affects them, too, and there'd be nowhere to run from it.

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[luvdovz.livejournal.com]

I think we learned that after the 3rd time you said it.

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[luvdovz.livejournal.com]

That's because you haven't been paying attention, but okay.

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[htpcl.livejournal.com]

Same (http://talk-politics.livejournal.com/1964415.html?thread=149175167#t149175167) to you.

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[htpcl.livejournal.com]

I'm not sure if you're being sarcastic, or just looking for a fight. Either way, you're not being, how was it, constructive.

Do not do that again. Both of you. You've both been spending what little credit you've got here, and fast.

[luvdovz.livejournal.com]

And there are other people living on this planet, you know.

Really?

[geezer-also.livejournal.com]

"Freedom for thee but not for me! The conservative dogma..."

Have college campuses changed that much?
I realize that my 60s college experience of the stifling of conservative voices may well have been an anomaly; however
I did go back to school in the 70s, and found much of the same. (My boys reported pretty much the same in the 80s and 90s)

In fairness, in the late 70s I did attend an ultra conservative Bible College and even moderate voices were stifled ;)

RE: Really?

[kylinrouge.livejournal.com]

This article is for you: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/22/opinion/sunday/judith-shulevitz-hiding-from-scary-ideas.html?_r=0

RE: Really?

[telemann.livejournal.com]

stifling of conservative voices

How was that done exactly? Would you have a few examples?

RE: Really?

[kylinrouge.livejournal.com]

Especially in an "ultra conservative Bible College"...

RE: Really?

[geezer-also.livejournal.com]

Calvinism was a verbooten topic, I would say primarily because it seems that the super intellectuals hold the position.

At any rate my point is that it is rare (from my experience) to find a true freedom of exchange of ideas in any institute of higher learning. Note I realize that is a generalization based on limited (but varied) experience.

RE: Really?

[geezer-also.livejournal.com]

Oh yeah, the first one that (always) pops into mind was my experience of not being allowed to speak at the planned rally after Kent State, especially after having spoken at an impromptu rally, and been asked to speak again.
I can't even remember all the times I was told, "for the sake of this course, we accept "thus and so" and we have no time for discussion. (the only time it really irritated me was in a History of Religion class I took in Jr College).

My basic point in questioning UL was that the "dogma" is universal where one side has power or authority, not just conservatives; and the fact of the matter is that liberals are more likely to be in control in more areas where the free exchange of ideas should be prevalent, like colleges and universities. But then he decided to make it all about race. (in his reply to me) so I'm pretty much done here.

RE: Really?

[telemann.livejournal.com]

I can't even remember all the times I was told, "for the sake of this course, we accept "thus and so" and we have no time for discussion. (the only time it really irritated me was in a History of Religion class I took in Jr College).

No I can appreciate that. And thank-you.

RE: Really?

[underlankers.livejournal.com]

Liberals aren't the ones that bomb little girls to red rags in the name of the freedom to discriminate against people on the grounds of their skin color, nor the ones that want propositions to pass to ensure voluntary execution of people they dislike, like that one conservative in California toward gay people. Liberals aren't the ones who've viewed every single extension of American freedom as an apocalyptic threat that'd water down the meaning of American ideals. Liberals didn't try to build an eleven state confederation around the notion that "the black man is inferior to the white man, that slavery is his natural and moral condition." Liberals didn't advocate "Segregation today, segregation tomorrow, segregation forever" as a standard on which freedom should be defined.

Liberals didn't ensure that 'separate but equal' was a fundamental tenet of totalitarianism in a democratic guise in the United States.

As I said, Freedom for thee but not for me is inherent to conservatism. It is not democratic, and it is the precise opposite of the notion that any society is a place where a government should be of the people, by the people, for the people.

RE: Really?

[underlankers.livejournal.com]

I'm sure all the Civil Rights leaders bombed in the name of good, honest conservative anti-Communism would have cried in their pillows about that stifling. Well, the ones still recognizable after good, honest conservative anti-Communists got through stifling their voices. Permanently. And if you're going to pull the "Segregation wasn't conservative" thing you officially forfeit all credibility about what conservatism is or isn't.

RE: Really?

[geezer-also.livejournal.com]

Dude, what the heck is your problem???

In our comments we apparently were both relating to different things. I can accept that. But where you got off on your tangent, in essence, of accusing me of a position I have no idea where you got the idea I might hold, I take a bit of exception to.

RE: Really?

[underlankers.livejournal.com]

For starters that's the kind of thing I was referring to when I said conservatives, like their intellectual ancestors in the Jeffersonian tradition, are all in favor of freedom so long as there's an underclass to be whipped, scorned, and bombed into accepting third-rate status from not wanting to die. Conservative freedom, in other words, isn't free or based on an idea of equality at its root.