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Jihadists fighting fierce battles just a few kilometers from Baghdad and shelling the city with missiles. Nigeria being hit by the ebola epidemic, and crumbling under the pressure of Islamist extremists. Libya and Syria in chaos. Russia entangled in a civil war in Ukraine. Despite all these crises in countries that are major oil producers, the oil prices, which are usually so sensitive to any turbulence (or even to hints thereof), have not skyrocketed just yet as one might've expected. Just on the contrary, they've dropped by almost a quarter since their June peak when they were nearing 115 dollars per barrel. Now the oil prices are at a four-year record low. So what gives?


Although there are all sorts of conspiracy theories floating around about how the US and the Saudis have secretly made a pact for collapsing the oil prices in order to bring Russia and Iran to their knees, the more probable explanation is much more trivial and is hidden in the classic principle of supply and demand. The thing is, right now there's an excess of geopolitical risk, but an even greater excess of oil supply. If we add the lagging European, Chinese and Japanese economies and the respective consumption shrinking, the plunging oil prices suddenly cease being so mysterious and shocking, after all.

What's more interesting is the consequences of that process. If we exclude the deflation concerns in Europe, the low oil prices are mostly good news for the developed world, especially the US. In Moscow, Tehran and Caracas and the other oil capitals through, politicians, finance ministers and central bankers are worrying how they'd possibly be able to deal with the dropping revenues, and how they'll mitigate the budget damages. Cheap oil also has political effects and will certainly affect events like the negotiations on Iran's nuclear program, the stability of Putin's regime, etc.

The fuel consumption is stagnating and dropping in most developed countries as of now, and the slower economic growth and the increased limits on the ownership and use of automobiles in China are also limiting consumption in the fastest emerging economy. But the most important factor is the rapid rise in the oil production by the US, and the expectations of an even greater increase in the near future. So, the sinking prices from the last few months are due to a combination of processes occurring both on the demand front, and in supply.

Some of them sure are surprising, though. Like the increased production in war-torn countries like Iraq and Libya, a tendency which might turn out to last longer than anticipated. This category includes signals coming from Saudi Arabia that for the time being they're prepared to tolerate lower prices. Another temporary effect is the dumping of vast quantities of oil at the market (some estimates reach 2 million barrels daily) by hedge funds that've bought these amounts in wait for a possible price hike, and are now hurrying to get rid of the stuff.


Other factors that are somewhat more long-term are the Euro stagnation, which can't possibly be healed by the cheap oil injection. And though the low prices are a symptom of an ailing demand due to the weakened world economy, they're also an indicator of healthy supply. And if Iraq's and Libya's production collapses quickly, engulfed by another spasm of instability, the US oil boom does look pretty stable.

Due to the fracking revolution which has made shale oil economically profitable, the US production has almost doubled for the last six years, and accoring to IEA forecasts it'll surpass Russia and Saudi Arabia next year, and will make the US the world's number one oil producer. It's very unlikely that the cheaper oil would bring an end to the US boom. The production expenses are considerably lower at the current prices, and production keeps growing. Right now it's almost by 1 billion barrels per day higher than it used to be about a year ago. And, since according to estimates by the Department of Energy, just 4% of the shale production in North Dakota, Texas and the other states does need an oil price exceeding 80 dollars per barrel so that the investors could at least end up with a zero balance, the exponential trend will hardly be reversed any time soon.

If there's one country which could reverse the global tendency, it's Saudi Arabia. In the current situation they have two options: to tolerate a period of lower prices in order to preserve their market share, or to decrease production and risk losing market share for the sake of higher prices. Right now, the Saudis seem to have opted for the latter. They realise that their influence on the prices is waning, so they seem to want to shrink their supply in order to stabilise the prices around 100 dollars per barrel. But, given the current weak demand, that could bring them into a situation where they'll be compelled to keep shrinking, and keep losing slices of the market. And raising the prices would only encourage more US fracking.

Turns out that a considerable shrinking of production would be a suicide for Saudi Arabia, in fact much worse than the current dropping prices. So it's no surprise that they've already rejected Venezuela's proposal to summon an urgent OPEC meeting. Thus, the global oil cartel will be discussing the situation as late as their regular summit in November. But given the diverse interests of the countries involved, it's unlikely that they'd reach a market-changing resolution even then. Although low prices are relatively unpleasant for Riyadh, the 750+ billion dollar currency reserves that they've accumulated thus far do give them a considerable space for maneuvering. Now, granted, the situation with other oil countries like Iran, Venezuela and Russia is quite different.

In terms of economic benefits, lower oil prices are stimulating for the consumer countries. For example, a price of 80 dollars per barrel would equal 600 spared dollars annually per household in the US. For some of the exporting countries though, the shrinking revenue could be a destabilising factor, and bring social tension and chaotic political consequences.


Most vulnerable of all from such a price shock seems to be Venezuela. There are already speculations that the Latin American country (which, by Deutsche Bank Research estimates needs a price of 100 dollars a barrel in order to balance its budget) is already sliding towards bankruptcy. Caracas already had some difficulties serving its foreign debt long before the oil prices started plunging - their currency reserves were melting away fast, the rapid inflation and shortage of essential goods like medicine and even toilet paper pressed Nicolas Maduro's government against the wall - and now things are looking really desperate for them.

The regime in Tehran is also under pressure, the pain from the cheap oil getting even more severe by the effect of the international sanctions due to their controversial nuclear program. There are already some accusations to be heard around Tehran that Iran's regional arch-nemesis Saudi Arabia is deliberately suppressing the prices to serve America's interests.

As one might've expected, such accusations are regularly heard in Moscow as well. The Secretary of the Security Council of the Russian Federation, Nikolay Patrushev recently reminded in a Rossiyskaya Gazeta interview of the theory that three decades ago the US had deliberately suppressed the oil prices in order to bring down the USSR. Actually, the situation in Russia still doesn't look that critical - for now. Cheap oil is not such a great threat to the Russian public finances and their fiscal balance, because the Ruble has also dropped along with the oil prices. But the blow on the country's economic growth is still quite serious.

The accumulated currency reserves and the floating Ruble do tend to mitigate the shock, and Russia could probably hold itself afloat even at 80 dollars per barrel for a couple of years. But the Western sanctions are narrowing Moscow's options for finding external sources of funding, and aggravating the effects of economic stagnation. The sanctions will probably cut away about 2-3% of Russia's GDP for this year, and ironically, the more the economic situation deteriorates, the stronger Putin's motivation to push ever harder with external aggression will become - he'll be needing that to pump up his domestic popularity by playing the nationalism card, which could have truly dangerous consequences. The parallels with Slobodan Milosevic in Yugoslavia are inescapable. Thus, the flood of cheap oil will probably end up making the world a tad wealthier overall, but in no way any safer.

Gas prices in the United States.

Date: 29/10/14 16:27 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] telemann.livejournal.com
I knew something was up two weeks ago, when I noticed a lot of people were saying how low gas prices were. I just checked Gas-buddy, and a gallon is 2.70 in South Carolina. The national average is 3.08, the lowest in four years. NBC Nightly News had a feature on the story last night. (http://www.nbcnews.com/nightly-news/gas-prices-drop-lowest-level-nearly-four-years-n235106)

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RE: Gas prices in the United States.

Date: 29/10/14 16:58 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sophia-sadek.livejournal.com
Jumpin' Jack Flash
It's a gas, gas, gas
Edited Date: 29/10/14 16:59 (UTC)

RE: Gas prices in the United States.

Date: 29/10/14 17:47 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] telemann.livejournal.com
Well even though the US is the number one producer of natural gas, I'm not sure if that's had anything to do with the crude oil price reduction; that's more likely due to several things

> US increased domestic production, so much so, the US has stopped importing oil from Nigeria for the first time, US production has increased from shale oil coming into the system, and states along the Gulf and East coast who are more willing to allow for off shore oil development (e.g. unfortunately, Virginia is one of those states)

> Libya's ability to increase production, and get it to market due to the decrease of internal fighting etc,

>the intense price war between Kuwait and Saudi Arabia, lowering their prices, in an effort to keep their respective Asian buyers.

>Some Asian governments have cut or removed their subsidies on oil, causing a drop in demand, despite the lowered overall prices.
Edited Date: 29/10/14 17:48 (UTC)

RE: Gas prices in the United States.

Date: 29/10/14 20:07 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sophia-sadek.livejournal.com
All that sounds like it is part of a conspiracy of 33rd degree Scottish Rite Freemasons.

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Date: 29/10/14 16:45 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mahnmut.livejournal.com
But you just wait, peak oil is coming!

Yup.

Date: 29/10/14 17:00 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sophia-sadek.livejournal.com
I know Jim Peak. I cannot wait to see him succeed in the oil bidness.

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Date: 29/10/14 17:08 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] luvdovz.livejournal.com
The US may appear to have twice (http://dollardaze.org/blog/?post_id=00153&cat_id=10) the shale gas/oil amounts of the 2nd-ranked, but there's a problem. Shale products are relatively expensive, unpredictable and unreliable. A whole bunch of shale producers are deep in debt, and the further slumping of the oil prices would further block investment and servicing these loans. The US is being coy with the Islamic State and playing war from the air, because the exports of "illegal" oil further beats down the prices.

The slowing economic growth is a secondary factor here. Let's recall that just a couple of years ago when the crisis started going away in the US, oil was pretty expensive. It's true that major oil consumers are sliding into recession and buying less, but the main factor here is the deliberate US pressure on OPEC, something that most of its members have already started acknowledging.

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Date: 29/10/14 17:08 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] htpcl.livejournal.com
No matter how much the oil prices go down, Russian giant LukOil still won't be paying its taxes over here and won't bring the fuel prices down over here in BG. We seem to live in some kind of a parallel reality, where fuel prices keep climbing when they drop everywhere else.

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Date: 29/10/14 19:29 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] aurfin76.livejournal.com
Oil prices decline is the consequence and part of all comodities prices decline. Starting with mining commodities descending trend reached hydrocarbones. The oil price is artifical and does not obey known Rent laws, i.e. when there is a shortage of some resource the price is maintained by the cost of production of most expensive producers. Now the most expensive oil producers are shale and tar sand explorers. Major of them are profitable with price near approx. $75.

Why the oil price was above $100 long before? To address weak dollar issue the financial institutions over the World hedged their risks buying derivatives on commodity indexes. That was driving prices higher.

Now in the verge of withholding QE program the dollar is going to be stronger. The dollar has already got stronger against number of currencies for last two years.

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Date: 29/10/14 20:15 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kylinrouge.livejournal.com
Cheap oil is great for the fossil fuel industry when it comes to pushing against renewables.
Edited Date: 29/10/14 20:16 (UTC)

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Date: 30/10/14 16:55 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sandwichwarrior.livejournal.com
It's good for poor and middle class rural/suburban residents as well. This along with cultural factors like "guns and religion" are whats really the matter with Kansas and other states.

"Renewables" are a joke, ethanol subsidies drive up corn and wheat prices but do little for energy. Solar and wind are simply not up to the task of supporting an industrialized society without a quantum leap in storage or transmission technologies. The only viable alternatives to fossil fuels available today are fission, hydro-electric, geothermal and the environmental lobby hates nukes, dams, and drills way more than they hate oil.

It's politics all the way down.

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Date: 30/10/14 17:02 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sandwichwarrior.livejournal.com
Political machinations aside.

Cheap energy is what makes "civilization" possible. It is a good thing. We should be pushing for it at every conceivable opportunity.




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Edited Date: 30/10/14 17:06 (UTC)

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Date: 30/10/14 17:45 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sandwichwarrior.livejournal.com
define "any cost".

While I might hesitate to use an engine that literally consumes the souls of the innocent as fuel, inconveniencing a bunch of oil barons and eastern oligarchs doesn't even register as a concern. The dogs bark, but the caravan moves on.

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Date: 30/10/14 18:48 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sandwichwarrior.livejournal.com
Again, depends on what you you mean by "destroy". Raising the temperature by 2 degrees over the course of a century? I think we'll manage. Things like strip mining, or contaminated ground-water? Those need to be watched and weighed a bit more carefully on an objective cost/benefit basis.

If the environmental lobby was really worried about the environment and carbon emissions, they'd support nuclear power. If they don’t, they're either not serious about the environment, or they’re simply lying to advance some other agenda.

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Date: 30/10/14 19:22 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sandwichwarrior.livejournal.com
Off the to of my head? Rendering earth physically uninhabitable without first securing an off-world home for the earth's population.

Whether the environment needs a lobby is secondary to the fact that it has one.

The thing about sustainability is that it is a self-correcting problem. That which can not continue, wont.
Edited Date: 30/10/14 19:27 (UTC)

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Date: 30/10/14 20:15 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sandwichwarrior.livejournal.com
You almost make "Darwinian" sound like a bad thing. ;)

And yes, I would say that the environment having a lobby is a bad thing when that lobby is mostly Luddites looking to wrap themselves in the cloak of righteousness rather than people who actually care about the environment.

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Date: 30/10/14 21:12 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sandwichwarrior.livejournal.com
What if "love for profit" or short term gain is not my primary (or even secondary) motivation? ;)

Darwinian could be a bad thing if you're at the receiving end of extinction.

That would be anti-Darwinian would it not? If we wipe ourselves out, it will be because we deserved it.
Edited Date: 31/10/14 06:59 (UTC)

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Date: 31/10/14 09:30 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sandwichwarrior.livejournal.com
In that case why worry?

The trick after all is not to find the "right people" but to skew the incentives in such a way that the wrong people end up doing the right thing.

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Date: 2/11/14 16:18 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sandwichwarrior.livejournal.com
It's not exactly something new. It's a core concept of strategic behavior and applied game theory.

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Date: 2/11/14 16:22 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] htpcl.livejournal.com
You got your DQ all the same. Take your prize and leave it at that. :-)

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Date: 2/11/14 16:43 (UTC)

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Date: 6/11/14 21:51 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yes-justice.livejournal.com
You almost make "Darwinian" sound like a bad thing. ;)

Tis neither bad nor good, but for your own life that makes it so.

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Date: 2/11/14 14:18 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] a-klutz.livejournal.com
The US is overproducing oil to destabilise Russia, who needs oil to be at least $100 a barrel. When the US begins exporting oil in the next decade it will completely change the nature of global politics

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Date: 3/11/14 03:46 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mikeyxw.livejournal.com
"The US is overproducing oil to destabilise Russia"

Not really. The US is producing more because there is money to be made in doing so. This is being done by private companies who care much more about making money than they do about Ukraine, Russia, Iran, or Venezuela. Their motives might not be pure, but they are transparent and straight forward.

The surprising part is that Saudi Arabia isn't trying to keep oil expensive. When it comes down to it, Saudi Arabia is the only single country with the muscle to set oil prices. Maybe they're doing this to hurt Iran, but probably they're doing this to gain some market share in Asia, maybe some of both. Russia just seems to be collateral damage.

It would be interesting if the US starts exporting oil. Right now, the long term projection is that we'll get to the point that this would happen (if you include the petroleum products and liquids we export instead of just crude). The question is if we've really hit peak-car or if people will start driving Hummers again if the price of oil drops and suck up all of the extra production.

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